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IOC reportedly probing Chinese gymnast's age

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The International Olympic Committee is launching an investigation into Chinese gold-medal-winning gymnast He Kexin's age, the Times of London is reporting.

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What say you - Old enough? Or not?

  • 3 votes
#1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
KB-438126

I do not think she looks old enough. I also think that not only should she be stripped of her gold medal but the Chinese team should be stripped of their gold medal and the US should be granted the gold.

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:35 PM EDT
sharlanc

The Chinese approach to their athletes is so contrary to how we do things here, so forgive my bias. These girls are obviously pre-pubescent and don't even look 12. The fact that Cheng Fei went to her parents and begged them to let her quit, only to be sent back to her team shows that China has a win-at-all-costs attitude toward their athletes. They are not people, they are commodities. This is not even sour grapes about the U.S., I just feel that the competition is unseemly when lying is resorted to.

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
DEBBIE-438151

Not old enough, the developmenot of a 16 year old's body are very different from a 12 to 14 year old girl. This does give the younger girls an advance when it come to the tumbling and release moves, to me that is what makes it unfair for them to keep there medals.

    #1.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:41 PM EDT
    Jim-438235

    She proved she was the best so I feel she should keep her medals, But the country on the other hand should be ban from the games in the future, If they will lie about this what else do they lie about

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
    lperry

    I'm glad the IOC has asked for more proof, but I'm afraid the FIG is not a strong enough organization to find the truth. Look how they handled Paul Hamm's situation last year. And if He and others are too young, then YES she should be stripped of her medals. Remember in 2000 when Andreea Raducan from Romania was stripped of her all around gold because of a failed drug test. Her offense? She took Sudafed for a cold that was given to her by the team physician. And now it that is no longer a banned drug. By particpating in a sport you agree to abide by the rules.

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:02 PM EDT
    Keri-438315

    Obviously most of the Chinese team does not look 16, but the issue is are they old enough to abide by the rules that every other country abides by? Whether or not she was the best and deserves it, is not at issue. She obviously did the best job, as she won the gold, but rules are rules. Neither her nor her team should be allowed to benefit from either their lying or their country's lying. If it is proven that her age is not 16, then she should lose her medals, as she should be disqualified just like if any other rule had been broken. I also think that her team should lose their gold all around, not because I think USA was better, but once again, her team should not be able to benefit from not playing by the rules that are instituted to make the playing field fair.

    • 2 votes
    #1.6 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
    Ray1981

    Certainly you should be able to trace the birth back on each to a hospital and to announcements in local papers etc... You can issue a false passport, but it would be interesting to see if hospital documents or birth announcements in local papers have disappeared or have been altered. Certainly there is a Chinese citizen to spill the beans for the right price.

    • 1 vote
    #1.7 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:12 PM EDT
    santiago101

    A sacrifice to the Olympic Altar..

    As a parent, it saddens me to see "children" being used to boost a country's world image. China should be made accountable for using and abusing the youth of it's populace. This is not in compliance with the Olympic Spirit. Let them develop their talents naturally!

      #1.8 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:25 PM EDT
      Smokin' Joe

      I do not blame the athletes. They are merely doing what they are asked to do, and I feel pretty certain that they did not change any of the official government records. My problem is more with the arrogance of the Chinese government in thinking that they are beyond any rules.

      I was at the Olympics the first week. The people in Beijing are wonderful. They are so excited, and went out of their way to make foreigners feel welcome in their city. But the government of China needs to be publicly humiliated and branded as CHEATERS and LIARS. They lied about the pollution, they lied about the ability to protest (not a single request has been granted and two 70+ year old women who requested permits were told they would have to go to hard labor reeducation camps), and they lied about the age qualifications of their athletes. In a shame based society, public ridicule is one of the most effective sanctions. I think the gymnasts should be stripped of their medals, but the blame should be placed squarely at the feet of the government.

      • 4 votes
      #1.9 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
      Waterwild

      China cheated on the fireworks. China cheated on the singer. China cheats whenever it thinks the world -- and NBC ("National Broacaster for China") -- will give it a free pass. The free pass and cheating must end now! Shame on NBC for aiding and abetting.

      • 1 vote
      #1.10 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
      Summer-438737

      What is sad, is that China has so many girls of age that could have given an outstanding Olympic performance. They did not have to resort to cheating to show the world their greatness in the realm of gymnastics. This does not mean I agree with their training techniques- but that is a different issue.

      If it is found that ONE person is underage and that person participated in the team event score, the team medal should be taken from the team. Of course individuals medals should be stripped from any person underage. Additionally the team and individuals should be banned from the next Olympics.

        #1.11 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:58 AM EDT
        cappiez

        @#1.8:

        Here in the States, or most of Europe this would normally be no problem. But, from my understanding, many hospitals don't have that great of records. Now, speaking of an Olympic athlete, this would be less likely.

          #1.12 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:46 AM EDT
          Devils.Advocate

          Knowing the Chineese, there is probably only ONE way to find out truly - birth certificates et al can be faked as well as passports etc...
          THERE MUST BE SOME GENETIC TEST that is available... unfortunately I have not kept up with modern medicine in that particular area - can someone tell me if there ARE any gentic tests that can at least approximate a persons age???

            #1.13 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:49 AM EDT
            cappiez

            Well, I'm pretty sure that just bone structure could tell. But, I highly doubt that the IOC will force a 16, much less a possible 14 year old child through genetic/bone tests to prove a point.

              #1.14 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:59 AM EDT
              Paula-438990

              Check her teeth! I am a dentist and from the glimpses of her teeth it seems to me she is at the 11-13 year old level. Even if she's a late bloomer, she is not 16 from where I sit. There are other ways to check the likely age range such as radiographs. If there is an age requirement then there needs to be a verification process.

                #1.15 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:00 AM EDT
                Wilfred of Ivanhoe

                The IOC is a total and complete farce--with a strong anti-American bias. The IOC just caved in on this issue to avoid alienating the Chinese.

                • 1 vote
                #1.16 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:34 PM EDT
                quark8

                It's a sad thing when a country thinks the rest of the world will respect them for medals they won while cheating. It's sadder yet that these athletes are forced to compete, regardless of age or desire. China wants to paint a pretty picture for the world to see, and convince the rest of us that they are a great nation. Sorry. Not convinced. We've seen enough evidence as to where the priority of that government lies and their "true colors" shine through. I'm sad for the athletes and real people of that country.

                  #1.17 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:02 PM EDT
                  Charlie Courtois

                  My take on the investigation is that it is necessary so that the competition is fair. I believe that is why there are rules in the first place.
                  For all those who have not noticed, the Orientals complexion and corpus structure is obviously different we Americans; so, how they physically look is immaterial.
                  Somebody always wants to "Beat-theSystem" Charlie C.

                    #1.18 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
                    Dan-440116

                    THERE MUST BE SOME GENETIC TEST YES? I am outraged about this age thing I also feel that if we are to judge the best athlete's in the world we should use the best judge's to do so.

                      #1.19 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
                      mars chatterton

                      KB-438126 #1.2, santiago101 #1.9, Summer-438737 #1.12,

                      China has not been found guilty of cheating, until then please keep your comments about stripping their medals to yourselves. Especially you summer, in your first para you quote

                      They did not have to resort to cheating

                      and in your second

                      If it is found that ONE person is underage

                      Clearly you cannot accuse China of cheating if they have not been found guilty yet.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.20 - Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
                      cappiez

                      .. Clearly you cannot accuse China of cheating if they have not been found guilty yet.

                      Yes, you can. Even if you're referring to your first quote. That's the whole meaning of "accuse." If you couldn't accuse someone of doing something without knowing they were guilty, then our entire justice system would not work in it's current state (not that it completely works now =]).

                        #1.21 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:56 AM EDT
                        mars chatterton

                        There is a difference between saying "I think your are cheating" and "They did not have to resort to cheating"

                        Maybe I was not clear enough in my post, my bad, what Summer said is not accusing but stating that they cheated, so she has judged before any proof of cheating has taken place. Sorry to get you mixed up.

                        Plus you O need evidence to back up your claims for cases to go to court. You just cannot take someone to court on an accusation..you need evidence otherwise the court will not even look at it never mind throw it out

                        • 1 vote
                        #1.22 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:42 AM EDT
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                        Alex-437604

                        All I have to say is great!

                        Anybody with eyes can tell that she was too young to compete and that she did not deserve that gold medal she won in the high-bar event.

                        Hopefully the gold medal will be awarded to the true deserved winner Nastia and the United States.

                        China should feel disgraced and if this cover-up is what they wanted to show to the world this Olympic games, they definitely got their point across.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
                        ariel142

                        Are you kidding me? Chinese often look young - they can't help it. It is very possible for her to be 16 and still look the way she does now. I myself am Asian, and even though I'm currently 18, I've been considered a middle school student by many people when out and about in the States.

                        Admittedly, I am very glad an investigation is being done as rules are rules, but I just had to point out that your argument there is utterly laughable and completely ignorant.

                        As for the US team silver... well, they lost that one on their own. Falls, steps out of bounds, they have no one to blame but themselves. It broke my heart to watch them lose, but when they make that many mistakes, they're lucky to even have silver.

                        • 2 votes
                        #2.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
                        3kyw4law

                        "Chinese often look young "

                        I agree with you. Most people of Asian decent look younger than they really are.

                        • 1 vote
                        #2.2 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:08 AM EDT
                        Alex-437604

                        "utterly laughable and completely ignorant."

                        And your comments are laughably racist and completely naive...

                          #2.3 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
                          RH-438708

                          I am nor American nor Chinese and nor of any of their origins but have asian friends left and right and I was appalled by the obvious underage of at least 2 of the chinese girl (not women) gymnasts. Even by asian standards, without listening to the comments of american broadcasters, I could definitely tell that at least 2 girls are underage and not only that, the judging was highly biased to pull things close enough in scoring the rounds for the chinese gymnasts in earlier rounds, in case they stumble late in the game, they still make it to the top. And sure enough, that is what happened on certain final events. I even noticed this trend on certain dives by the chinese - but regardless on the majority the chinese were the best divers.
                          The issue of underage does make a difference. Because a korean gymnast was disqualified in sydney for being underage. So should we give this gymnast their medal back?
                          I think a biological test (such as a DNA test) should be the standard by which to determine the true age as opposed to the passport which is issued by a government that acts authoritarian towards their own people. Let alone making the national anthem be based on the volonteer principle. Talk about brainwashing their own people, to think that this is their duty to volonteer their efforts for the success of their government. I prefer that the girls learn early waht it means to be fair and honest rather than mask their government's lies to force to compete illegally.
                          Now in other sports for example, such as diving or volleyball, there is no doubt the chinese were amazing and actually fun to watch.

                            #2.4 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
                            TrueBlueAmerican

                            Excuse me? Middle-aged white guy here. Alex, why were their comments "laughably racist?" Is it because they're pointing out that there are obvious physical differences between Asians and Anglos? Any one could tell you that and I don't consider the observation to be racist. Most people would just say, "Duh."

                            Look, I agree that the gymnasts appeared too young. I'm not even going to argue that. But let's lay off the racist accusations. Face it, it's not something you would say to these people's faces. You only say it from behind the safe anonymity of your internet connection.

                            • 3 votes
                            #2.5 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:47 AM EDT
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                            Stormi

                            I say NOT old enough!

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:36 PM EDT
                            maria-437627

                            I'm thrilled that the IOC is investigating this. If there is sufficient proof that He and possibly others on the Chinese team are underage, then they should be stripped of their medals and China stripped of its team gold. One disgrace of this Olympics is the FIG's attitude towards these rumors. No investigations or probes--just assurances that passports were the official method of age determination and that the birth dates on the passports fit with the cutoff.

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
                            Geoff-421360

                            Let her keep the medals. She did earn them and taking them away now won't help the fact that she was too young. But, ban the Chinese from Olympic competition for 4 years as punishment.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#5 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
                            alexandria

                            I agree the young athlete should keep her gold. Her gov't has taken her away at age 3-6 years old from her parents to train her like a robot to compete in these games. She is not at fault for what the gov't is doing to tarnish her name, her talent, and her invested time. I further agree that the Chinese should be banned from the next Olympics as punishment and that the United States gymnasts that competed for the same medal should be publicly apologized to from the Chinese Olympic officials and the IOC for not checking the background and ages of the competitors from the very beginning.

                            • 1 vote
                            #5.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:17 PM EDT
                            maurice-311399

                            Make that 4 years and 14 days.

                              #5.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
                              maurice-311399

                              make that 4 years plus 14 days.

                              • 1 vote
                              #5.3 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
                              independentbychoice

                              ok geoff, using your logic, let marion jones keep her medals. taking them away now won't help the fact that she used performance enhancing drugs, i.e., broke the rules, just like the little chinese girl.

                              • 2 votes
                              #5.4 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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                              Andrew-288829

                              I feel that if she is found to be under the age of 16, then the IOC has an obligation to strip her of her medals, and anyone else found to be underage as well. It's pathetic that Chinese officials would go that far to ensure they get the most gold medals in the Olympics. However, I think that they will try to explain their way out of it, to make it look like we don't know anything about them or their so-called "democracy" they say we don't understand.

                                Reply#6 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:17 PM EDT
                                Andrew-288829

                                The IOC needs to do the right thing when it comes to countries not playing by the rules. If the girls are found to be underage, the IOC should indeed strip them of their gold medals, as well as sanction China by not allowing them to participate in any future Olympic games (winter or summer) for a set period of time. Granted, the girl did win the gold medals, but it wasn't an even playing field, and that's what the Olympics should really be about.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#7 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
                                Kiki Rihman

                                I think it is disgraceful of the Chinse to exploit young girls and lie about their age in any circumstance. Anyone with fairly good vision could tell most of the body types of the Chinese gymnastists were under developed and were those of young teens not mid teen girls. Give back the mdals!

                                  Reply#8 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
                                  Valerie-437051

                                  The girls from the other nations clearly looked much older than the Chinese girls. I agree with all the above comments, including #5. It's disgraceful for the Chinese to exploit these girls, by lying about their ages to try to garner more medals. I would think that fudging government documents such as passports is a felony! I wouldn't have a problem if it were a level playing field and all countries were able to send their very best, regardless of age. If a country has an awesome 14 year old gymnast, she would need to wait until she was 18 to compete, and she may not be at her prime at that time.

                                    Reply#9 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
                                    Arthur-379160

                                    She looks 10. Women's gymnastics has been a fiasco, but then the Olympics is a business privately owned by around 50 of Europe's richest families. The Olympics business is almost pure profit because businesses and governments fall all over themselves doing free work just to be seen.
                                    I personally think the Olympics should be eliminated.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#10 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
                                    Doug-Harrah

                                    There is absolutely no doubt that she is not even close to 16 and I do not believe the other two that are under suspicious are old enough either. I the whole Chinese gymnast team should be disqualified and lose all their medals. There is also no doubt that He's double bar routine was in no way as good as Nastia. She doesn't deserve that gold no matter how old she is.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#11 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:33 PM EDT
                                    Southern Gal

                                    I think that the entire Chinese women's gymnastic team should be DQ'd if these gymnasts prove to be 14 years old, as we suspect. The American team should get their gold medals and Nastia should get the gold in the uneven bars that went to He Kexin. Cheating is not acceptable, whether it is the host country that cheats or some other country.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#12 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:35 PM EDT
                                    God bless America

                                    Agreed.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #12.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:50 PM EDT
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                                    Chuck-426900

                                    The true Olympian spirits rises from years of training and it has been the focus of these games. Since the IOC took a severe stance on doping, this matter is the same nevertheless! Cheating is cheating no matter how you disguise it and will truly stick its head out. The Chinese has to come clean now to save face or else take the severe wrath that will follow. They may be leading in the glory for gold but to what price. In the true spirit of the games, let the truth be known NOW!

                                      Reply#13 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:45 PM EDT
                                      Chuck-426900

                                      The true Olympian spirits rises from years of training and it has been the focus of these games. Since the IOC took a severe stance on doping, this matter is the same nevertheless! Cheating is cheating no matter how you disguise it and will truly stick its head out. The Chinese has to come clean now to save face or else take the severe wrath that will follow. They may be leading in the glory for gold but to what price. In the true spirit of the games, let the truth be known NOW!

                                        Reply#14 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:46 PM EDT
                                        Kate-437910

                                        I feel sorry for He, as she's a great gymnast and I do think she deserved her medals. However, the team she is on and represents (at least I think) didn't follow the rules, and that should be punished. I think stripping the medals would be punishment enough, and would shame China.

                                          Reply#15 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
                                          Karen Dillard

                                          He Kexin said she is 16 years old and held up that gold medal with pride when she won it knowing darn well she wasn't eligible. She was smiling and lying. I do not feel sorry for her at all.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #15.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:12 PM EDT
                                          Alex-437604

                                          "she deserved her medals."

                                          Nobody who cheats deserves an Olympic medal.

                                          I'm sure the United States, Germany, France, etc... have some great 10-15 year old gymnasts that could have performed extremely well at these Olympics.

                                          But those countries all played by the rules and honored that age restriction.

                                            #15.2 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
                                            Michael-331085

                                            Cannot agree with you. The rules clearly state (if) she isn't 16, she's not eligible. She would be eligible to compete in 2012 when she's (18, allegedly).

                                            The point is, athletes (from every sport) all around the world wait their turn to be Olympians (regarding age eligibility). And for some demanding sports, the window to be competitive (because of age) is rather narrow. By competing, and winning medals in an Olympics she (allegedly) isn't eligible for - she has just increased the length of her window and simultaneously (stolen) from another Olympian who was in her window. That's cheating now matter how you slice it. There's no denying she's a talented gymnast - let her win her medals when it is her turn like everyone else.

                                            Who came in 4th place? That Olympian was virtually robbed of her medal (if the allegations are true).

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #15.3 - Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:23 AM EDT
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                                            Romillion au Fond

                                            I don't think the whole team should be DQ'ed, but if you can't follow the rules, you shouldn't be allowed to play. Athletes that use performance enhancing drugs (and even equine athletes as we have seen these past few days) are disqualified and have their medals stripped. Cheating is uncool no matter how you slice it; I thought we all learned this lesson in elementary school.

                                            Do the right thing, IOC!

                                              Reply#16 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
                                              Karen Dillard

                                              The reason I am happy with this investigation is that these rules are there and we abided by them. Possibly Nastia was good enough to compete in the last Olympics, but couldn't. As of right now, she may have just this one chance at the Olympics. This girl, He, may have a few more Olympics before her because of the way they tried to work this out (i.e. she could compete next Olympics at the real age of 17ish, then maybe even again). The entire team should bge stripped of their gold medals for this. They all lied about this.

                                                Reply#17 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:09 PM EDT
                                                Lynnguist

                                                Cheating is cheating, and cheaters must be DQ'd out of fairness to the atheletes and countries that play by the rules. The Chinese Govt cheated and He lied to back that up- she is a cheater. Young age is an unfair advantage in gymnastics- they are fearless and their bodies are tiny and lighter. Her individual medals and the team medals should be stripped, and in fact I think all the female Chinese gymnasts should be DQ'd because of the govt conspiracy to cheat--besides the fact I think at least 2 of the other Chinese gymnasts are underage as well. There is no way He is 16...she looks 10! The scores were so bizarre and unfair on many events as it is, I suspect the Chinese may have paid off some of the judges...the whole thing stinks badly of corruption. I am glad the IOC is finally launching an investigation...the integrity of the Olympics is at stake.

                                                  Reply#18 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
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                                                  John-438047

                                                  The difficulty with the situation is, while she may have been under the age limit, stripping her(and/or other girls on the team) of her medals really punishes the wrong people. Even if the girls felt that falsifying ages was wrong, they aren't in a position to speak out about it, because they'd put themselves(and possibly their families) at risk if they did something to shine a negative light on their government/Olympic team.

                                                  In the end, these girls are really pawns being used a system much larger and more powerful than themselves. The real culprits are those associated with the Chinese gymnastics program(and likely the government) who orchestrated any falsification of documents that allowed this to happen.
                                                  If falsifcation of ages is found to have happened, action needs to be taken against those higher-ups in the Chinese gymnastics/Olympic program who orchestrated this, not the girls who were merely the tools of leaders willing to seek glory through any means necessary.

                                                    Reply#19 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
                                                    Bob Pomeroy

                                                    I agree that the girls should not lose their medals for the reasons John states. But awarding them to others is a different question, even though Nastia should have won the gold. The record should remain intact, but should be asterisked. Leaving a record for history that the Chinese cheated should be enough.
                                                    But all sorts of other issues get raised, like imposing the same burdens of proof on all participants, and what, ultimately, prooves anything absolutely. Further, our standards should include a degree of politeness to the host -- not license to cheat, but some polite nod. History will note the duplicity, and if it doesn't work the rule can be enhanced.
                                                    There are a number of Olympians who were stripped of medals unfairly, and they should be ceremonially restored on a case by case basis. Those of our 1968 sprinters are the most obvious example. Lots of Olympians raised their hands and bowed their heads during their ceremony.

                                                      #19.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
                                                      T. Davidson

                                                      I agree with you. Don't punish anyone who is probably being manipulated by higher authorities.

                                                        #19.2 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:27 PM EDT
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                                                        independentbychoice

                                                        china is so desparate to show the world what a great nation it is and what successful sports programs they have that it is sickening. china is run by a bunch of thugs who care more about pandas than they do about their own citizens. the judging has been terrible, totally skewed towards china. has anybody else noticed the bulk of chinas gold medals have come from events that are judged, not from events that have a definite clear cut winner?

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#20 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:19 PM EDT
                                                        Lori-438056

                                                        I think anyone not following the rules should be DQ'd. Look what happened in the track and field competition. Rules are rules. If China received the team award and those girls' scores contributed to them getting the team award then strip that medal too.

                                                        I'm sick of countries not playing by the rules.

                                                        GO USA!!

                                                          Reply#21 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
                                                          independentbychoice

                                                          what happened in the track and field comp was curious. the american runner was dq'd instantly. the guy who originally took the bronze, then moved up to silver when the american stepped on the line, also stepped on the line. funny how his mistake wasn't noticed until the american team filed a complaint about that. only then was he dq'd. the IOC is as crooked as the goons running china.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          #21.1 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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                                                          Jasper-438057

                                                          She is DEFINITELY NOT 16. She should be stripped of her medal. If this is actually true, China should be ashamed of itself.

                                                            Reply#22 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
                                                            mars chatterton

                                                            Do you proof? are you an expert on knowing what a persons age is? could you tell what age I am if you saw me down the street? My brother is 21 and he looks 16/17 and is always asked to prove his age when in a pub.

                                                            Until proof is found that china cheated please keep these opinions of yours to yourself

                                                            Talk about Guilty until proved innocent, god you Americans you're exactly like the Chinese and you don't even realise it

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                                                            #22.1 - Wed Aug 27, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
                                                            cappiez

                                                            That is his opinion. That she is not 16. Do you LIVE in China? Because from the posts I've seen you're all about people being quiet until definitive proof is found, and only facts are allowed to be spoken on Newsvine.

                                                              #22.2 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:57 AM EDT
                                                              mars chatterton

                                                              Do reporters report their views a opnions or facts?

                                                              His opinion is nothing but slander and quite serious

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                                                              #22.3 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:47 AM EDT
                                                              G from Godley

                                                              If the Chinese press listed her as being underage, then there are reasons to investigate. I usually don't go for people being accused of cheating without proof, but with the Chinese news stories being printed and then removed it looks bad to people. I'm 33 and look like I'm in my early 20's when I shave off my beard. Looks don't mean anything. But I do have a lot of proof to show my age. China just showing a passport with her age, and looking like it removed stories that show different just makes it look fishy. China is communist, and from what I understand they require documents on most everything and everyone. Why didn't they release anything immediately when there were rumors? Why not put the rumors to rest immediately? With more and more time passing, it gives those who claim that she is underage more ammunition since China has time to just fill in blank documents to 'prove' she is of age. It makes it harder to prove one way or another. It's bad when she's going to have to live under this cloud no matter what the outcome.

                                                                #22.4 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:54 AM EDT
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                                                                mp-438071

                                                                If it is found that China lied about He's age, not only should He be punished, but China also for creating such a cover up and lying about it.

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                                                                Reply#23 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:24 PM EDT
                                                                Margrit

                                                                Given the fact that other American Track athletes have been DQ'd for simply "stepping on a track line" (even though they didn't even go into another lane) it seems that competition rules should be equally enforced.
                                                                The problem here is that this young lady has been used by her country & she has had to tow the Party line and lie about her age. That is not really her fault.
                                                                On the other hand, her performance was outstanding and it would be a shame to DQ her but other good athletic performers have been DQ'd to comply with the rules.
                                                                So, harsh as it seems, she too should be made to follow Olympic rules. China's flagrant disregard for those rules is a symbolic slap in the face of all other nations who have competed in these Olympic Games.

                                                                  Reply#24 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
                                                                  deha

                                                                  When Marion Jones was caught cheating and was stripped of her medals, her relay teammates also lost theirs. In all fairness, if any of these girls turn out to be underage, the whole team should lose their medals.

                                                                  On a slightly different note, I thought the judging was abysmal. Yeah, the Chinese girls are good and the Americans self-destructed to a certain extent, but comparing various individual performances and the deductions taken for similar errors suggests to me that the judges weren't as objective as they should have been. The most obvious example is the individual beam competition.

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                                                                  Reply#25 - Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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