Palin prepares to introduce herself to the nation

Wow is that all you can bring to a debate?....lol

this group may be loonier than the Carter clan - remember Billy? I say vote for them and make this country a true mockery in the eyes of the world. I bet this is ever so interesting press in th emore intelligent parts of the globe.

This just out--Obama's "hope"-filled speeches are made entirely of air! That's right--there's no substance to them at all.

In fact, janitors has found pieces of his "historic" speech from last Thursday night on the floor of the stadium and report that they look exactly like the promises Dems have made at every single convention they have ever had.

When will the Dems realize that people see through it now when you promise to "fix" education, make the paralyzed come out of wheelchairs and walk on water?

Somebody needs to fix education because your fellow republicans sure as hell can care less about children unless they are your own. So stop hating on Obama. You're just mad because your dumb @$$ can't read

coolmom9, can you please provide a source to back up your statements?

The McCain campaign is trying to distract voters from the real issues.

They've come out against the life-saving possibilities of stem cell research.

They don't even mention protecting equal pay for equal work.

They support huge tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans.

They've almost completely ignored the $10 billion we're spending every week in Iraq.

And they make zero exceptions for a woman's right to choose -- even in cases of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the mother.

If that all sounds like more of the same, that's because it is. John McCain is offering a third term of the disastrous Bush agenda, so it's no wonder his campaign would choose to focus on attacks instead of issues.

What bothers *me* the most is people living in the past.... Those against Obama keep pulling out comments that have no basis for this election at all, i.e. Carter, Clinton, etc. etc...
I dont see Democrats pulling out bashing On Regan as much, or even Nixon, etc. etc..
I do feel like BUSH is fair game as he is far more recent material that does effect this election..

All you people who are so "leave palins home-life out of this" are the same people who wanted Clinton impeached... Clinton was a good president who left office even with positive numbers behind him VS Bush who is leaving with 20% approval rate...

I would much rather have a political race based on politics... that being said, Palin's politics do not agree with mine... really the choice is simple for Prez and VP if you base your vote (as you should) on politics...

That is correct R.Donald Snyder We are a Military Family and here is what McCain did to his own men.

McCain votes AGAINST our combat troops ... 5/2008: McCain voted AGAINST the Webb GI Bill.
9/2007: McCain voted AGAINST bill to minimize periods of time between deployment of units sent to Iraq.

5/2006: McCain voted AGAINST $20 Million to VA for health care facilities.
4/2006: McCain voted AGAINST $430,000,000 to VA for Medical Services.
3/2006: McCain voted AGAINST increasing Vet-medical services $1.5 billion in FY2007.

3/2004: McCain voted AGAINST increasing Vet-medical care by $1.8 billion. 10/2003:
McCain voted to TABLE an amendment for $322,000,000 for safety equipment for USforces. "Table"= vote never hits floor.
10/2003: McCain voted to TABLE a vote for $1 Billion for National Guard and Reserve Equipment in Iraq dueto:shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, & tactical vests. Here's your test MSM -- will YOU all inform the viewers/voters of McCain's ANTI-MILITARY voting record? c. proffit, Lexington, Ky. (Sent Friday, July 18, 2008 4:08

allright Linda, what you can do if you have time is copy, paste and put this on all forums all over the internet... don't forget to copy, paste Obama's record too :) Well it looks like you have some work ahead of you, but maybe, some would like to help!

Clinton was impeached because he lied about an affair in the whitehouse while president. Palins daughter is not running for office her mom is. Her daughters preganancy is just that, her daughters. I don't think Clinton was a bad president. There are a few things that I wasn't to happy with but overall he did a good job. I don't think Father Bush was a bad president. At least when we went to war the first time with Iraq we had a whole lot of Allies and didn't alienate half the world. Unfortunately when you have people like Karl Rove writing play books for political campaigns there will never be a true campaign about issues just smear tactics.

Sorry Milo, Clinton was not impeached, I repeat was not impeached. NEWS FLASH: We have google now. The next time you feel you want to try and say something clever, read up on the facts. Don't just spew out comments without verifying their veracity.

And by your comment, we can all see why we kept electing a D student to run our nation. Thus, we now have a failed economy, an unjust war, a trillion dollar deficit, 4100 dead, over 30,000 wounded and maimed, a failing housing market, sky-high gas prices, no energy policy for the future, a loss of Constitutional rights, etc., etc., well you get my point.

People, if we don't wise up and get our collective heads out of our butts; this nation is doomed. Milo64 proves that...

This adds nothing to the discussion of Mrs. Palin but I just had to respond to my friend LLMTruth...

After spending 30 seconds on wikipedia:

"Former President of the United States Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, and acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999."

After 40 seconds:

"Impeachment is the first of two stages in a specific process for a legislative body to forcibly remove a government official. The second stage is conviction.

Impeachment is so rare that the term can be misunderstood. A typical misconception is to confuse it with involuntary removal from office; in fact, it is only a legal statement of charges, paralleling an indictment in criminal law. An official who is impeached faces a second legislative vote (whether by the same body or another), which determines conviction, or failure to convict, on the charges embodied by the impeachment."

LLMTruth, need some help with that head of yours?

Owned.

Is the baby the son of Palin's daughter? Which daughter, the one that's pregnant? I think that's impossible because the baby is 3 months, right? and The daughter is 5 months pregnant?

It's amazing to me what you can sell the american people. Put a baby on stage and now the women should be VP. They are saying the Republican party we got a lerning curve for Palin....but yet people her on here says she qualified. This the same party that said Obama wasn't ready but yet they have said it themselves that this women isn't either. And this women is running with a 72 yr old man with a 72 yr old heart and had cancer 3 or 4 times...but that's fine we will teach her what she neets to know in the next few months. In these extremely, complicated times and WORLD. Which she has never seen because she has never traveled outside of this country.

There were so many other more qualified republican women then Gov Palin...but yet people are gushing over the 5 kids, one with special needs, beauty pageant winner , hunting mom...The country gush and said yes make her our President she's so pretty, and she has 5 kids, Oh my and she's a governor, yes her...then they ask,what does she know about the job? GOv Palin, says which is true, I don't know what a VP does. Oh, that's fine we will teach her....this pick is an insult to WOMEN, as if we can only be measured by our children, husbands, and how pretty we are...AGAIN, there were OTHER women that should be up there but they weren't pretty.
SInce when does being a mother qualify someone to being a leader. Someone please explain that appeal.

Disgusting the lies the dems will spread when they discover they that they are not just going to roll into the whitehouse. Selena you should be ashamed of yourself. "is the baby the son of Palin's daughter? Which daughter? The one that's pregnant?" How can any of you ask that in good conscience? Let's turn it around for a second so you can see how it looks. Are those Obama's kids? From which wife? Will he take a paternity test?

Pretty ugly isn't liberals? Anything to get the focus off of where it should be.

LLMTruth

You may want to re google or just learn how to use the search. Yes Clinton was impeached in Dec of 1998 by the house. However, The senate Aquiited him of the charges and the impeachment was sidestepped by Clinton.

The rest of your post is the usual Dem rhetoric which shows they have no ability to accept responsibility in any of the issues facing our nation.

Sorry dear but you irritate me because you speak like the Army is a bad thing, it is a very honorable decision and choice of career. more so than many others....not real fond of my daughters teachers because they think it Ok to force their left wing indoctrination on my child....and while the government may provide public primary and secondary education it is not their responsibility to provide for college education....or healthcare.....

Keith,

What's the left wing indoctrination play book?

Yeah, we have 47 million people without Health Insurance, has your premiums gone up over the last 8 years? Get a clue. Tell us about how the government is paying for our kids college education or what Obama's plans are regarding this? Show us what you know.

Hey, does anybody know why her daughter dropped out of high school....Is there any truth to the rumors that are flowing about her baby brother actually being her own child? somebody help me....

The rumors are fabrications meant to hurt innocent people; namely Palins infant son and teen age daughter. If you do your math, assuming you can count to 9, Palin's daughter is 5 months pregnant. So, that would mean on the day her baby brother was born she was already pregnant. I am sure there are some people who do not know this, but it is impossible to get pregnant when you are already pregnant.

You go Betty. Palin JUST SAID in her speech that Americans should love their country in time of war and peace. How about SEVERAL WARS and one with absolutely no legal validity as ruled by the United Nations ??????????????? Yeah right, as if we can still stand a decade of Iraq ! This woman is absolutely clueless about international law !

Betty? He "joined the Army instead of going to college?" And that's a bad thing? The kids going to Iraq next week.

And if you think she's out of her league, you obviously didn't watch her take Obama out to the woodshed tonight. She's a star.

She didn't write her speech McSame's people did. I don't think she's smart enough.

Betty, my husband spent 20 years in the Army, serving in Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom, as well as Afghanistan. He is a retired Chief Warrant Officer and now uses his Army training flying Air Ambulance. Sorry hun, but he didn't need college, the Army trained him so well that he now gets paid very well for working two weeks out of the year, probably as well as your college-educated kids, if not better.

Men and women like my husband who fight for and defend America are what insured that you got to make sure all your children got a college education and made sure you all got to live the supposed American dream.

Thanks for putting us down for choosing the military!

This lady is no star. She's Karl Rove's puppet in a skirt, with Tina Fey glasses.
The democrats are inventors of smear campaigns? Yeah RIGHT!!! Karl Rove and the GOP invented the words and we all know that. Remember how they Swiftboated your boy Johnny Mac back in 2000. Now Mac has Rove on the payroll. DISGUSTING!!

I believe she delivered the speech that was written for her by one of Bushs men very well. I also believe she will be able to communicate well with many of the people she is allowed to talk to. The only problem I see at this point is her dealing with McCains plans to address the issues we are facing today on her own. The reason I see this as a possible problem is he doesn't have any plans that differ from what Bush already has in place.

We are going to have to address the real issues sooner or later. America is in an economic problem that will effect all of us in the very near future. Look at all the job cuts that we had this year, what happens to all those families? What happens to a family that doesn't have health care and their child has an illness? Where are all the young people graduating from high school or college going to work? Where do they go for a loan to buy a home?

We cannot continue to use the scare of terrorist and Middle East wars that have and will go on for ever to hide from the issues that are truly our worst enemies. Our greatest problems will not come other Countries they will come from within.

Before you start the war talk on me you need to understand I am a former Marine with 2 Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star. I served my Country and now I am worried about my Country. Let's make the politicians talk about the issues we are facing today instead of each other and past war stories.

In fact, janitors has found pieces of his "historic" speech from last Thursday night on the floor of the stadium and report that they look exactly like the promises Dems have made at every single convention they have ever had.

I happened to like Obama's speech but really liked the way you phrased this. Couldn't the same be said for ANY speech made over the past two weeks from EITHER side?

I don't understand why the campaigns even run this long. There isn't any new information that's going to come out that has anything to do with their capability to lead our state. It's all a show for the next two months. By the time November comes around I fear a lot of people who were excited a few months ago, or even now, will feel done with the whole thing and not bother to vote.

I say anyone who idolizes Palin has never worked in international organizations like the UN, NATO, International Criminal Court, International Court of Justice, even ASEAN. Palin would be dead meat in any emergency that requires knowledge of global affairs. Whoever rushed the decision to get her into the GOP ticket wasnt thinking how pitiful this woman will be in the company of world leaders. Look, Condoleeza Rice was a professor from Stanford, Angela Merkel is a doctor of physics. Who, where, what Palin ????

When Obama makes a great speech nobody says "He didn't write it" or "he had a telemprompter." But when Palin does, that's what she gets.

JFK didn't write his own speeches, nor did Clinton or Reagan. We didn't criticize them for it. This is an obvious double standard being applied to a Republican woman. Hillary was celebrated at the DNC, so I don't see these attacks as being sexist. I see it as being anti-Republican and bitter that the RNC has found a speaker equal to Obama.

Austinite, The fact is that everyone knows that Obama DOES write his own speeches, Palin is a journalist, but the McBush people want to make sure she doesn't think for herself and she says only what they want her to. She will not have a say in the White House.. This party has no respect for women, they even want to tell us what to do with our bodies. I know the right wing think this is the thing to do, but lets be honest, if you want to teach your children to abstain from sex then do it, that is the right thing to do, but don't tell me this is anti republican, because it isn't.
I know what it was like when abortion was illegal, over 10,000 young girls died in back room doctor's offices and why, they did not have anyone to go to. Making abortion illegal is not going to stop abortions it is just going to put the country where we were 40 years ago. This election is about economy and the middle class. The past 8 years of giving the Big Corporations a tax break because they will give back to their employees has been a failure. Big Corporations are paying CEO's and other top people HUGE bonuses, and the employees get their Insurance taken away, or cut, and their jobs go over seas because of the tax cuts that are given. It has to change and McCain doesn't get it. Yes you have a "Rock Star" and "Celebrity", which was a bad thing for Obama (per your party) so were you just jealous?

Unity, people are entitled to their opinions. If you studied the Constitution you would know that even Justice Scalia isn't straight up against abortion. He believes that each state should have the right to make those determination on their own.

You are a champion of the right to privacy? Let me ask you this.. Were you ashamed of the left for slamming Palin's skills as a mother? Were you ashamed of the left for trying desperately to drag her 17 year old daughter through the mud for CHOOSING to keep a child?

All we need is one more Political Science major with no real world experience.
Being a legislator is like being on a board for a company. They don't get their hands dirty and they are not individually accountable. They provide direction and they are part of a group decision.
Being an executive is like being the company CEO. The buck stops with you. When you lay your head down at night, you know that YOUR decisions are possibly affecting hundreds, or thousands, or even millions. You are concerned about the small things (important but in the scheme of things small) like how the people that report to you are doing and you worry about the big strategic issues. Many people are counting on YOU. Eyes are on YOU!
These are two VERY different experiences.

Rational Poster - if only she had been a politicfal science major, that might have been a positive for her, but she majored in Journalism...

You must then agree what has Obama done??? at least she was the governor of a State!! I rather anyone than Obama Bin Ladden

Darin, with all due respect to your college major, Rational Poster hit the nail on the head. She has decision making experience, which does count for a lot when you're talking about executive experience.

I'm not saying she's as experienced as a two-term governor of a more populated state, but she does, in fact, have two terms as mayor and almost two years as governor under her belt. She did manage people and a budget.

McCain had military leadership experience during a time of war, meaning he was responsible for making decisions that affected the lives of his troops. He also has decades of senate experience, meaning he has legislative experience.

According to the logic the republican talking heads are using for her experience, her 18 months as Governor of a state with as many people as Austin Texas gives her more experience than not only Barack Obama, but also John Mcain.

Actaully when you try to thread the needle of what "exoerience" is as they have, she has more experience than all of congress and the senate put together. No, no, Actually all of congress and the senate for all of our history, put together..... WOW, that's pretty good for 18 months as governor of a sparsley populated state.

Anybody else see any "tiny" flaws in that logic?

Joe, maybe you haven't noticed, but "all of congress and the senate for all of our history, put together" is not running for the presidency! Who IS running is a freshman senator who has been in national office less than four years, and has been out touring for a considerable portion of that time. He has also been unable to make up his mind whether to vote yea or nay on over 100 occasions, responding with a noncommital "present".

Let's also note that Palin has been in charge of a whole STATE, which Obama cannot match. And Alaska may be small in population, but it's the biggest in area and holds more resources than any other state. Let's remember too that when Palin was mayor she was in charge of more people than Obama has ever led - besides his devoted caravan of followers perhaps.

No, sir, I do not see any "tiny flaws" in your logic; I behold a gaping chasm.

I'm sick and tired of people saying that Palin has more experience than Obama and that she's done way more than he has.. it's ridiculous! Maybe that argument would've had some substance if her very short term in office was not tarnished by abuse of the little power she had and scandal after scandal. Here's a woman on an obvious power-trip reaching for a position which would normally be way out of her league. Ideally, the closest she should ever come to the white house is a tour visit. She's obviously being used as a pawn to attract voters.. and it's sickening. This is doing nothing for women's rights (which by the way Palin has not mentioned one thing she will do to improve the lives of women in America, but actually opposes many of those rights women have fought for over decades.) Obama on the other hand has proved himself by fighting for the middle class in many cases, and he continues to fight to get proper health care and retirement benefits for the troops when they come home, unlike McCain. Oh and by the way, being a POW does not automatically make you right for the job of president as Palin would have you believe with every speech she makes.. yarn*
And I hate how empty their arguments are. They're always misquoting Dems to make their point instead of presenting their proposals on the real issues. It's revolting!! Don't get hooked by the hype people! consider the real issues..

Pat1987 says "Obama on the other hand has proved himself by fighting for the middle class in many cases..."

So tell me Pat, does this statement ring a bell with you?

" A bunch of bitter Americans clinging to their guns and religion..."

If that's Obama's version of fighting for the middle class than we are in serious trouble if he makes to the whitehouse as anything but a visitor.

I never thought I'd see the day when I would agree with the Christian right, but I find myself agreeing with CDW-479489.

CDW-479489 said:
Now when our teenagers come home and say "I'm pregnant" we are expected to say "Oh, I am so proud of you."

What I want to know is, why isn't the father of the 17-year-old's baby not being arrested if he is over the age of 18? I believe it is statutory rape.

Or is Palin proud of HIM, too?

So then, let's see if the "charming young man" really marries Palin's daughter.

In the meantime, any new news about Troopergate?

because he's stupid.....he think this lady being on the ticket is going to help him win....people don't be fooled...

McCain's numbers in the polls crashed when he chose Palin.

McCain didn't think. He just reacted to a successful democratic convention.

This is typical of what we can expect from McCain: knee jerk reactions, no thought beforehand.

Rhonda

Not much interest in the issues on your part, is there? You prefer to play the tear down role.

I think we live in a great land and I look forward to each day and I feel blessed.

in the young man's defense, i'm not going to say arrest him....hell i believe it was consentual....i wasn't there but i willling to bet it was as with most teenagers....but it goes to show you that parents, adults, educators, etc.....need to educate children about sex....these girls know exactly what they are doing...it's not enough to tell your children don't have sex.......all of them are not doing it but a lot of them are...all of us have been young and have done things our parents told us not to do....so i'm not bashing the lil boy or the lil girl.....it's her mother and the GOP i have a problem with...like they got all of these values....ain't nothing cute about being pregnant at a young age and not married....my mother was married and she had 12 of us.....times were hard and jokingly she's said she wish she had not had that many children...thank God all of us have turned out well, educated and doing well....but the GOP wants to praise this but had it been the other way around, they would have dogged the Democrats out the same way FOX news referred to Michelle as Barack's baby momma and how they kept playing Rev. Wright and questioning his values....now the shoe is on the other vote they want to pull interviews and all this other BS...

CDW- I agree wholeheartedly with you. Of course, these things happen, but when you are in a position of prominence, like it or not, you are going to be scrutinized for the examples you are setting. The Palins claim they want privacy, but yet, parade their pregnant teenager and her boyfriend on the world stage for all to see. For parents who are trying to instill values in their teenage daughters (I have four), what message does this send. The hypocritical religious right claim, promiscuity is okay, just keep the child. McCain and his cohorts made a political decision on this lady, and she is rightly being vetted by the public. Afterall, we will be paying her wages. She should pick up her marbles and go home, defer running for office, and take care of that special needs baby and her daughter, who is going to need her physical and moral support. Enough, already.

THIS IS WHAT HER BOYFRIEND SAID... ENJOY!

I'm a f---kin' redneck who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes. But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s---t and just f---kin' chillin' I guess. Ya f---k with me I'll kick ass."

Status: "In a relationship."

Children: "I don't want kids

Rhonda his numbers in polls dropped 2%, Obamas numbers in polls dropped 3% for choosing Biden. Try to be educated before throwing meaningless posts out.

In Alaska, like in a majority of states, the age of consent is 16. Alaska isn't some back-woods place where cousins have sex at 13 and get married at 14. She is 17, her boyfriend is 18. This was not by any stretch statutory rape. It's a non-issue. Let it go.

Oh for goodness' sake.. the issue is not whether or not it was rape, it's about the daughter of a politician who endorses abstinence only education in schools becoming pregnant. It proves that preaching that message only DOES NOT WORK WITH EVERYONE. If Palin's daughter got pregnant, then who are our children not to end up in a similar position!? This shows that we need a plan B. Of course abstinence before marriage, aspecially during the teen years is the ideal, but NOT EVERYONE will choose abstinence!! People are different and need options. Perhaps if Bristol had been educated about those options she would not have made a life-changing mistake with this early pregnancy. She will have trouble finishing school now, might not get the chance to go to college (or if she does it will be extremely hard), and worst of all she is being pressured by her family to marry this stupid boy (read the comments he made so eloquently describing himself as a ''f---kin' redneck') It's a heavy price to pay for a very young girl who didn't have the kind of mother to equip her with proper sex-education.

Ya know, I still have a hard time with Obama saying that if his kids make a mistake that he does not want them "punished with a child" I can't in all honesty say that SOME of you have not made some good & valid points, but c'mon now, punished with a child? A child is the greatest miracle there is. No it's always easy or the best time to have a child, but what if your parents felt that they were being punished when you were born? A child is never a punishment, it is something to be honored and cherished.

Keith,

You just keep getting better............

Tell us again how all college kids are so naive. Define what you mean by the real world. What's the real world like in Alaska? How about Wisconsin, or Georgia. Do you honestly think that what matters to you or what you feel is important is important to all. You make subjective comments and paint in broad strokes to your own bias beliefs. What have you proven so far today in any of your comments? Nothing.

Please tell us all how running Alaska for less than two years makes you a good administrator. What do you know about Alaskan politics? In other words, start backing your statements up.

I love people who offer analyses of the limitations of theory. :)

that's why you're still in school....live on

Wow. A poli-sci major. That and $2 will get you on the subway, or perhaps allow you to go to grad school. But in the world of people who have worked for 20, 30 years poli-sci students are a dime a dozen. Experience is what counts, both for poli-sci students and for presidential candidates.
When you leave the protected milk and honey world of academics you will then acquire experience then be able to judge the value of somebody elses experience.

Poli-sci student....sheesh.

The Mayors of america's metropolitan cities have more experience running an administation than Palin. McCain critized Guilliani about not having foreign policy or national security experience, yet he had a hell of alot more than Palin and a population that was about 12 times more tha Alaska. McCain shot himself in the foot with this. I admit there are questions about Obamas experience but at least he picked someone who has a resume that no one in the rebublican party can touch. Plus we have Bush's former foreign policy team preparing Palin to debate Biden, so if you think she is getting hammered know what till that debate.

Milo do you really want to go there. Bringing up McCains criticism of Guiliani.

OK lets go there than. Obama's very own VP choice said Obama lacks the experience necessary to be president and that the presidency is not a on the job training position. Yet he is all for Obama now.

Clintons both criticized Obama's level of experience very boldly and loudly yet there they were like good little dem faithful fulfilling their part of a deal brokered by Obama and his people backing him.

By the way has anyone heard from the Clintons since the DNC? No they fulfilled their part of the deal. Obama is on his own now.

Proud Liberal,

good for you! You can cut and paste... Don't forget, along with the meaningless speeches Obama did not vote but called in "Present" about 160 times in the Senate

wow what an accomplished leader!

Keith, speaking as a veteran and someone that now has a Bachelor's in Political Science and a Master's in International Relations, I can say from a position that you will never experience that I learned FAR more from going to college than I did in the military. The military teaches you a trade but the primary thing that they teach is to obey. A first-year Political Science major has more knowledge of the government than the average American because they study it!

I didn't want to vote for Obama. Obama got my vote by default. McCain lost my vote when he voted against attempts to aid veterans. As a veteran, he has first-hand experience of what it is like for us (well, I guess not...things are different for officers than they are for enlisted). I really cannot blame him for Palin because it is obvious that she wasn't his pick...he just went along with it. He also lost my vote when he said he would continue the war for "100 years" if necessary. Being someone that has been in a war that went nowhere, hasn't he learned from it?

I don't pay attention to Obama's speeches and I certainly will not take Palin's seriously. A speech is not a reflection of a candidate, but the talent of their speech writers, and given that they coached her to death I am not surprised that she gave it without screwing up.

However, you can teach a monkey how to play the piano, but that doesn't make it Mozart.

Sheri, while I am thankful for your service to this country, I must point out that McCain did NOT vote against aiding our troops. He voted against a a $122 billion war spending bill becuase it was contingent on setting troop withdrawal deadline beginning this summer. He DID, however, vote FOR a $120 billion war spending bill 2 months later that did not have such stipulations.

I'm sorry you feel this war went nowhere; I was under the impression (from friends that have been there) that it is going well. And he didn't say we'd be continuing the war for 100 years; he said we may have a presence there for 100 years. Much like we do in Japan and Germany 60 years after the end of WWII.

Why don't we wait for the debates and see what happens?

proudliberal-468415 sorry you feel that way. According to a recent msn poll 90% of the population of this country believe in God or at least feel that they are Christians. So don't offend 90% of the population. Besides this country was founded on Christian morals, so the individuals who hold true to those founding morals ARE NOT the Anti-Americans that you claim them to be. Also just a side question, do you think it's justified for a mother to kill her one day old child? Or how about her two month old child? What about a three year old? If no why? You stated that since the baby was unable to fend for herself she is not a human and doesn't deserve protection, and since a two month old cannot fend for herself the baby isn't a human being right? Life starts at conception they teach you that as early as elementary school. If life doesn't start at conception then when does it start? Is a fish not always a fish? Is a bird not always a bird? If life starts at birth and not before then it is just as much of a fact to say that I become a fish just because I step into a lake. I'll let you know if I ever do turn into a fish, but in the mean time I am a human just like I always have been. That goes the same for you. Just remember you were a fetus once yourself and if it doesn't bother you that at one time someone(most likely a man) said you didn't have a right to life, then this society has done nothing but fail.

Greed Over Patriotism.....hmmmm funny since the left is devoid of patriotism at all.....SOCIALISM is not an American value..despite what you leftists think

Keith,

I think you just slammed hundreds of thousands of veterans that happen to support the left as being unpatriotic. Good going, you must be proud!

I'm shocked that people continue to respond to people like Keith who seem to have this fantasy that if they type it, it must be true. I've gotten tired of the baseless attacks on both sides, but there is definitely much more of this crap coming from the right it seems to me.

Way to insult your friends, family, neighbors and co-workers and fellow veterans Keith. For someone desperately trying to pass yourself off as a proud American, you certainly have no problem insulting and lying about your fellow countrymen. What class. Let me guess, anyone who disagrees with you can just get the hell out, right? Yikes.

I like that GOP Greed Over Patriotism.....exactly what I'm saying....As long as they got theirs, to hell with everyone else. A democrat would be foolish to vote for a republican....Don't let people use you. the GOP doesn't care about you....McCain is doing whatever to get elected...even some of his own party members are saying that he did not investigate is VP thoroughly....it was a haste decison. They can't talk about anybody's judgment or morals. I love our troops..I have the upmost respect for all of them. It just upsets me to see how veterans are treated when they come home from war. Veterans should not have to want for anything. Just like children. How do you justify spending billions of dolllars on a war but schools in the US are not properly funded? As rich as our county is, no one should be living in poverty. Then republicans give big companies all of these tax breaks so they can create jobs.......Well, I bef the difer. All the jobs are overseas and if you are fortunate to get a job, the powers that be pick and choose who they want to hire. so the cycle keeps repeating itself.....

Trust me. Abstinence will work! :-)

Its her choice. Why does that freighten you?

This business over Palins daughter is making me crazy. Yes it has a place in the politics of Palin but NOT THAT MUCH. I'm far more concerned as everyone should be about the economy. Repubs helped the moving vans carry jobs overseas. I agree Obama would make more jobs by creating products only we can make, and make them for ourselves on top of that. I am PO'd that prices are so high here in America but then that is also the price we pay for letting China, India etc. take the jobs, then hike the price. I fault big business and support of the Republican party for that. The wars and our men who come home without any support...now that really gets in my craw also. Why don't they deserve every opportunity we can give them? They put their lives on the line and in Iraq whether they wanted to or not. Now we have PTSD, lost limbs, young lives long gone...That, I can't deal with. My brother retired after 30 years with the Army. I'm proud of him but even he is upset with no education benefits, no general medical assistance for his fellow comrades, no rest for the weary in battle in order to be able to go back in with their head back on straight. Given all of the above, I'm also upset with the lack of knowledge America has. No education especially in science and math will be our demise. Other countries have made darn sure those who didn't go to school, got to go to the military whether they want to or not. If given the choice, I'd prefer the education to keep us out of wars, build our economy back up with real education not fluff, programs to help them get to that point and not ridiculed for using grants and loans to get through school because if left to the Repubs, there wouldn't be any grants at all. For anyone. Welfare? What throw them in the streets? Clinton made sure that if their children were under 5 they could stay home and over 5 had to daily look for a job, work at a job or go to school full time. Unfortunately there are those who took advantage of the under five but they were/are not the majority. Obama and Biden are our best chance at getting all of this done and even more. I like Obama because he's not sour. He's not part of the establishment. Biden is a fighter and that's good. Palin is a smart a&& . The Repub convention was NOT about what they would do but rather every "speech" was a put down on Obama. I'm very interested in seeing this battle play out. Oh while I'm at it. Palin working Mom. That's great but as VP she won't be able to claim that as she won't be around to be "mom". So touting that is stupid if Repubs or anyone would wake up and stop and think. Also, if Obamas family was up for grabs so is Palins. Her resume is not pretty and that will be brought out. For heavens sakes, bookies are taking bets all over the world of the % of what Repubs will lose by. Oh, now that's world respect. I do believe McCain made a hasty choice for VP when Obama presented Biden as he had to make an opposite choice in order to appeal to the women voters. He's using them right along with Palin.

Keith,
I believe your statement that the left are not patriotic is very distorted. I hope you are young enough to grow out of it. First of all I am a Marine Veteran that actually was on the front line. It was my experience that we took care of each other regardless of our political party. The reason for that Keith was that we knew that working as a unit was the only way we were going to survive. Our take on the situation was to leave no Marine behind. Is that a left or right position? Perhaps it is a neutral position that puts an equal value on everyone. Are you going to call all people in the Military Socialist?
I have no idea what you do but I am the CEO of a small Corporation with little over 500 employees. My personal taxes were over $150,000 last year. You said you were not interested in redistribution of money because you were doing ok. I don't believe any of us are. But I am concerned with and about the lives of every employee I have from the bottom to the top. They all have dreams for both themselves and their children. Is that a left or right position?
With the tax plans that are being presented by Obama and McCain the upper 20% of my corporation would benefit more from McCains. The lower 80% would benefit more from Obamas. Do you think when I go to the polls to vote I should say to hell with the 80% and just worry about myself? I will tell you what I am thinking right now. Those of us making above $250,000 probably can take the hit of extra taxes easier than those below can take the inflation caused by individuals that only think of themselves. Is that a left or right position? Is that what you are calling Socialism? There are two reasons I will do that. The first is that my corporation is just like America, the upper 20% can't make it without the lower 80%. The second is that every persons life and family are just as good as mine. Love and compassion is not measured in money. "The person who dies with the most stuff still dies". Now, am I one of those left, unpatriotic,Socialist, you are talking about?

Roger, you seem to be a very kind and thoughtful person. I wish all of us lower 80% could be as lucky as your employees.

I second that comment! WOW! I wish more of the top 20% would have as open of a mind as you do. This country would be so much better off. It's refreshing to hear not everyone in the top 20% is selfish and want to keep it all for themselves.
Thanks!!!!!

Good Point!
Imposing personal religious beliefs onto others is un-American!!

Freedom to practice your own religion is a bedrock of America ever since the Brits came across from the UK and other parts of Europe.

I agree whole heatedly. The attitude of "Christ is a republican" is so against his teachings. The rep rhetoric sounds too much like the pharisees and others.

What speech were you listening to? I haven't heard her say anything about imposing her personal religious beliefs on anyone. Does anyone have any solid info to back that up?

It would have been better for her to remain in her own far-away, out-of-touch place and raise the kids she made not leave them to her nanny. She could even continue to make her faith and beliefs influence her governing decisions. In the USA I know, this has never never never happened. It is almost surreal. Our framers are rolling around in their graves.

fedupwithliberals: How can you say she isn't imposing her own beliefs if she wants to teach creationism in our public schools???

Gretchen, Why are you against women working and making their way in this day & age? Oh she has kids so she can't do anything else is that what you are implying? Sure sounds like it. Oh and one other thing I should mention to you, in modern day America her "own far-away out of touch place" is called Alaska, it's one of our states now!

I didn't even know they still made Kool Aid Is that what you drink?

my daughter drinks it....course I won't be able to afford it for her with the Obama tax increases

Keith,

I should have read all the comments first, if I had I wouldn't be trying to engage in a conversation with you. I now realize after reading your last two comments that you are incapable of making an intelligent well thought out argument. By all means keep posting those enlightening comments of yours.

I'm just glad you realized it. He's spewing his hatred all over Newvine. What a great American, hating most of his countrymen. Yikes.

I followed you for a minute until you said, "Even Barack has some standards and he's a Democrat." Well what did you expect? Barack is a classy guy. Too classy to entertain this hypocrisy and lies coming from the right.

wtfgay - what about the hypocrisy and lies from the left? Oh I forgot, if they come from the left it's ok. Sorry I just have not gotten used to that yet, my bad.

probably before your time then...goes back to the blind followers of Jim Jones and the poisoned kool Aid they drank....just like the blind followers of Obama

Your too funny

It's a typical fear tactic of the right wing fringe. When you don't like someone, compare them to a notorious historical person like Jim Jones or Hitler. Real classy and oh so cogent.

The hypocrisy of Keith's contention that the GOP doesn't have its share of blind followers is laughable and shows ignorance of fact.

The McCain campaign is trying to distract voters from the real issues.

They've come out against the life-saving possibilities of stem cell research.

They don't even mention protecting equal pay for equal work.

They support huge tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans.

They've almost completely ignored the $10 billion we're spending every week in Iraq.

And they make zero exceptions for a woman's right to choose -- even in cases of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the mother.

If that all sounds like more of the same, that's because it is. John McCain is offering a third term of the disastrous Bush agenda, so it's no wonder his campaign would choose to focus on attacks instead of issues.

You need to do a bit of research.

Embryonic stem cell research has proven over and over that it is a failure. It has NEVER been shown to do a single thing except to grow tumors.

Adult stem cell and blood cord stem cell, on the other hand, have been proven over and over to be of great benefit to many medical conditions. At last count, adult stem cells were helping in over 65 different medical conditions.

Why do you think that the gov't has to subsidize embryonic stem cell research? Because it is a failure, and no company that wants to make money will waste money pursuing it.

All the companies who want to make money, are using adult and blood cord stem cell reseach, because it works.

Rhonda, please lay off the CNN, not healthy.

Keith, I don't like your comments, but you taught me what "don't drink the koolaid means". I feel very young. Thanks for that small insight. Now back to not liking your comments.

And your going to need him

I think ray-421884 was being sarcastic.

I believe ray was making fun of how the GOP believes that they think they are the only ones who follow God.

What the hell is that supposed to mean.....God is on all of our side....and i know He is so disappointed with Republicans....Yall want to call on him but the republicans are the main reason why prayer is out of schools today......oh yea hypocrites

Hmm, isn't that what the Taliban says when asked why they attacked America? Only the most vain and religiously elite would believe that "God is on their side".

Dont forget Bush claims MANY TIMES OVER that God told him to do this, God told him to do that... God talks to Bush all the time according to Bush himself.... (one of the creepy things that made me hate Bush)

ummmm if there is a God, then there is a Satan - ummmm could it have been SATAN pretending to be God whispering in Bush's ear????

Couldnt alot of God fearing People actually be listening to Satan instead?? If Satan is the true deceiver than its a scary thought isnt it?? Therefore, I prefer to leave religeon out of all politics as you never know WHO is actually whispering in your ear....

Exactly, they are talking about the same God that was use to justify slavery in America. Come on Mitt Romney, do Republicans think that they are the only ones who worship God?

God was on my side too. And he told me : If you want to vote for an old man and a Girl Scout, vote McCain and Palin. If not, stay at home.

Could it be Rev Wright whispering in Barak Hussein Obama ear

You mean like Rev Wright been whispering in Barrack Hussein Obama ear for twenty + years?

Actually Palin is ON THE RECORD as saying that GOD is on our side re: the war in IRAQ.

Her pastor is ON THE RECORD as saying that The Israelis are being bombed because they haven't converted to Christianity...

Wtfgay, thanks for the laugh I needed it after reading some of your other comments. The Republicans are the cause of no prayer in our schools, that's a good one. You probably think that the Republicans are responsible for school kids not saying the Pledge of Allegiance also.

Devils.Advocate says

" ummmm could it have been SATAN pretending to be God whispering in Bush's ear???? "

Ok let's carry that to the next step. Ummmm could it be that Devils.Advocate is really Satan?

You're too much dude

Has anyone noticed that every sentence that includes the word McCain also includes the word "hasty"?

Would you really want a president that only makes knee jerk, reactive, no thought decisions?

Isn't choosing a VP the first important executive decision that a potential president makes? And look at how hasty and thoughtless McCain's first important decision has been.

And now McCain has to go backwards and hook back up with his bosom buddy George Bush, or at least the Bush Administration, for help to get him out of this one!!

NEWSWEEK-The McCain team has hastily assembled a team of former Bush White House aides to tutor the vice-presidential candidate, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, on foreign-policy issues, to write her speeches and to begin preparing her for her all-important Oct. 2 debate against Sen. Joe Biden.

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/02/bushies-come-to-palin-s-rescue.aspx

Don't worry, Keisha-408308, nobody gets Keith.

And that's a good thing.

Keisha,
Not every discussion is about blacks.

Kool-Aid is a refernce to Jim Jones and Jonestown. Remember they believe everthing he said and did everything he told them. And when the government came for them he told them to drink the kool aid which was laced with poison. And even after it was very apparent that it was poison ( hundreds of dead people) they continued to drink it.

voice of reason You don't get it either so go back to sleep my little puppy and your spelling is off LOL

Nice come back. Attack the spelling... LOL
Must have hit a nerve..

"Her priorities should be her family".....what a load of crap. Why shouldn't Obama's prioritiy be his family? He has small children that will suffer from his demanding schedule. I feel sorry for Obama's children, their daddy will be on the road constantly and they will miss his good-night hugs and kisses. Obama should just drop out until his kids are grown and don't need him so much.
That is just the typical garbage that the liberal press, and the dems, are spewing these days. They are so anti-woman that it is getting to sound very rediculous. They trashed Hillary and won't stop there. It is time for women to stand up to this crap and let their voice be heard. The "good-ol-boy"s" club will be broken and it will be Palin that does it. She is another great American, and I will support her with all of my resources. God Bless America!

I guess that when you look at things from a different vantage point the arguments fall apart. Today's women are just as capable as any man to be capable of multi-tasking. Palin is a brave American, willing to put herself, and yes her family, through the mud slinging mill. How pro-woman are the Dems?, just ask Hillary. They slammed her and spread their lies to keep he in her place. Their actions speak much louder than their false declarations in support of women. It is a simple matter of exposing these lies that shut them up in a hurry. Go ahead Dem's tell us how much the Dems fight for women's rights, and I will show you what your actions really reveal.

Oh really, Rusty-451155, you think Palin is so capable. NOT! Now, Hillary is capable, and she could do it.

Most women would be capable, but Palin is not one of them, as evidenced by this:

CNBC-Larry Kudlow of CNBC's "Kudlow & Co." asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain's ticket mate.

Palin replied: "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?"

Rhonda.....darling.......keep to the subjuct. I know that it is hard to defend such a hypocritical position, but the topic of my discussion has been........."Why don't the dems support women's rights"

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Hold on a minute!! According to liberals all women should be "free of the oppression of children" in order to pursue their own lives.

According to dem tax proposals, all homes should be two-parent working homes in order to that the "rich" may share with the poor.

As a woman, and I'm assuming, a liberal, you should be embracing Palin for her courageous stand for women's liberty!

And what about choice? If someone is truly "pro"-choice, they would embrace the fact that Palin decided to keep her handicapped child, that is her "choice". And they should embrace the fact that her daughter wants to keep her baby. That is her "choice". So, are libs truly "proc-choice" or are they truly anti-life?

Coolmom, the way you've re-articulated the issue owes more to anti-abortion rhetoric and the anti-ERA backlash movement than I believe is necessary.

As a liberal, I believe in a woman's right to control her own body, and would never belittle someone who has chosen to bear or raise children. I simply think that we should allow full education on the options for contraception, and not denigrate women who find themselves in a position where they feel they need to choose abortion. I have to believe that no-one is truly "anti-life", barring some clinical socio- or psychopaths-- but I do believe that there is a qualitative aspect to the issue, not only an "every sperm is sacred" quantitative one.

Good for Gov. Palin for deciding to raise her child-- I have no issue with that. What I do have concerns about are her stances on abortion and contraception, the way she seems to approach executive privilege, and her reported brush with censorship. Fair enough?

Palin is a hypocrite she is against abortion yet she is fine with the death penalty. I am a woman and she makes me sick and the thought of having to see her smug face for four years is making me want to vomit as I type.

We need a woman in office that knows the struggles of being a mother especially a mother of a child with disabilities NO OTHER candidate has mentioned helping children with special needs. Would Obama do more for our children? probably not unless you deal with it on a daily basis you have no idea how hard it is, so for me to get someone in office who understands this is great we'll finally have an advocate to help.

WmRAllen- as pro-life conservatives, we believe in the unborn child's right to not be killed. We do believe that life begins at conception, and we do believe that that life is a separate individual, complete with his/her own DNA. Yes, the baby is inside the mother, but it is still a separate being. And believing those things, we are obligated to protect that life.

I'm not sure what you're referring to with her approach to executive privilege (she sold the governor's private luxury jet on eBay and fired the chef because she could make her own kids' sandwiches. And I haven't heard any specifics on the so-called censorship. Does anyone have any solid info?

The death penalty is a completely separate issue. You're talking about a violent criminal, not an innocent life, who made the choice to violate our laws, knowing that the consequences could be death.

If she makes you sick, faith, don't vote for her. That's your choice as a free American.

Coolmom

YOUR QUOTE: And what about choice? If someone is truly "pro"-choice, they would embrace the fact that Palin decided to keep her handicapped child, that is her "choice". And they should embrace the fact that her daughter wants to keep her baby. That is her "choice". So, are libs truly "proc-choice" or are they truly anti-life?
I do believe you answered your own question. Palin HAD A CHOICE, that is all we are asking for is a choice to give our daughters and granddaughters. Were you around when abortion was illegal? If you were you would know that making abortion illegal did not stop abortion, it just made our young daughters and granddaughters go to back rooms somewhere with other teenage friends with a doctor someone "knew about" after office hours. Don't you remember over 10,000 of our girls dying from this. I also chose to have my children, but I HAD THE CHOICE. This is very personal and should be kept between your family and God, not the government. I believe this is what all PRO CHOICE people think.

Exactly...

Palin says that having the baby was "Bristols choice" but if elected she would take away that same "choice" for all women. That is just plain old Hypocracy.

And how about sending young people to die for an absolutely USELESS war? Do their lives count?

I guess being Pro-Life ends directly after birth?

Christie said "We need a woman in office that knows the struggles of being a mother especially a mother of a child with disabilities NO OTHER candidate has mentioned helping children with special needs.

Palin cut the special needs budget by 65% while Governor. Now that she has a "special needs" child she has flipped on the issue.

Also remember that it was a conservative court that made abortion legal. Not the liberals.

Oh and as a conservative Barbie should practice traditional values when it comes to her kids. Women and men are different physically and psychologically. Women are nurturers. Family before career-anyday!

I cannot imagine Barbie in Cheney's role during 911. I can't imagine McCain seriously seeking any advice from her. And personally that high pitch shrill voice is so bad ....

This woman was a poor choice if anyone thought this light weight could fill HRC's shoes. Barbie may look like a pit bull, she may even be the hottest VP, but I for one consider this nomination to be one for the knuckle walking cavemen.

Barbie? Dj your insecurities are showing

Fedupwithliberals, I understand the anti-abortion position, I just do not find the argument satisfactory on all counts. You cannot prove, conclusively, that life begins at conception; neither can I conclusively prove that it does not. Certainly, neither of us could conclusively prove to the other that our position is the correct one-- it's an article of faith, and changing someone else's faith is well-nigh impossible.

My comment, and my general argument, was in response to coolmom's articulation of liberals as being "anti-choice" when it comes to deciding to have children. Choice cuts both ways-- you can choose to have a child, you can choose not to, and each choice is perfectly acceptable for an individual depending on their situation.

What I find untenable in this debate is the demonization of women who are in the situation where the feel that abortion is the only reasonable alternative. I do not believe that any woman approaches this choice as "just another contraceptive option"-- terminating a pregnancy is one of the most difficult decisions a woman would ever have to make. Then again, for many women who decide to have the child, the conservative side has nothing but scorn-- "teen sluts who are going to be a drain on our economy" and so forth.

Exacerbating the situation is the "abstinence-only" theory of contraceptive education. It may be 100% effective, but it is impossible to ensure that it is 100% applied-- and so resistance to education on other options is in my opinion inconsistent and self-defeating for a group that wishes to reduce the rate of abortion in this country.

In terms of the executive privilege issue, it seems from what has been reported that Palin approached dissention to her views and policies while in the mayoral and gubernatorial positions in "my way or the highway" mode-- staff that disagreed with her were either removed by fiat, or made to feel threatened. I'm sure by now that the "banning books" story has become common knowledge-- and, even if the list of books that has been bandied about on the internet is specious, the very fact that she would consider such a course of action (successfully or not) is troubling.

Do your own fact check.

Sarah was NEVER a member. Her husbad was.

MakeItSo....you truly do not have a clue. I suggest that when you read stories, you go beyond the big bold letters on the top.

Actually my biggest pause with Palin is that she has been a member of a serperatist movement that sough for Alaska to succeed from the United States. That does not speak of some one who will put America first.

I honestly don't like either canidate. However I am taking a critical look at both, and not just picking my canidate cause I like them.

Sepulchre, read the post above by Rational Poster. Mrs. Palin was NEVER a member. Her husband was, for 2 years in the '90's.

If you're taking a critical look at both candidates, please be sure you're getting your facts straight.

How about wanting to ban books from the local library and threatening to fire the librarian for not going along... That was in the Times...

You are so right. I am so tired of hearing them defend this woman and her dysfunctional family. If the GOP wants privacy for her then they should respect the privacy of every woman in this country and her right to choose. Stop whining already and let the chips fall where they may. I am convinced there are many in this country that would rather see any thing or anybody as president as long as its not a black man. Their worse nightmare. I love it.

The GOP shot themselves in the foot when they chose Palin, now they are trying to defend Troopergate and Palin's dysfunctional family.

McCain crashed in the polls, and now the GOP are back on the attack.

Apparently McCain orignially wanted Lieberman as his running mate, but his staff said NO.

Not that Lieberman is much better than Palin, but the question is:

If McCain is such a maverick, why didn't he choose who he wanted to choose for his running mate?

Rhonda

What is your game?

If Palin is a bad choice, then celebrate that as giving your guy a better chance.

ming i agree as if Black is taboo or something.....but i'm not going to go there but for sure we have come further than JIm Crow.........Until American changes its way of thinking we can never move forward as a nation......that's why i voted for BArack....Some people are just stuck on stupid....as if he's taking something away from them.......this world is too big to belong to just one group of people.....Please he has just as much right to be there as anyone else....

wtfgay, let me get this straight...you're voting for Obama because he's black to prove that we can get past looking at the color of someone's skin? No one's denying his right to be there based on skin color. We don't think he's taking anything away from us because of his skin color. We DO believe this world belongs to one race...the HUMAN race.

And you say WE'RE stuck on stupid???

If you want fresh young faces then get rid of Biden also. Don't be hypocritical, you do not get to have it both ways.

Obama can have as many radical associations as he wants, Ayers, Wright, Farrakan, but we can't report on them. Obama himself has said to leave the kids out of it, why can't you?

Is that the best that you have? Women are not ready? Give me a break you disgusting dinosaur. I have 3 daughters that have the intelligence to do anything that they want to do, and are doing some amazing things. You are right....there are some that would limit the potential of women, just so they can feel all warm and safe in their demented little world. Women have far greater potential than idiots like you who would keep them one step behind. Women are a majority in this country and should be equally represented. Country First !!!!!!!!!!

your daughters are the ones who are misguided.....you really are a woman trapped in a man's body.....and you can stop that lie about Palin having all these values....you and your party just don't want to admit that this woman's background was not fully investigated and you are trying to pass her off as the savior for women....it will be interesting to see what becomes of this state ethics investigation pending against her...and if she did cover up something then one can only questions the speculations surrounding her and her infant son that's alleged to be this same 17 yr old baby....Why was she absent from school for a whole semester.......why did she drop out....yet she and her husband rule their children with a tight grip.... I don't know about Alaska but in most state if a child miss so many days out of school parents can go to jail.....

I beg your pardon. Their fathers mis-guided politics will handicap, and scar, these chilren for the rest of their lives. Palin's children have a "real" family that shares true family values. Mr. Palin will fill in, and the rest of the family will pitch in to make sure that the family maintains these values. That is how a "real" family works. You might just want to check it out. You idiots will stoop to any level to keep women down, won't you. You will soon find out that you will bitten in the ass by these hypocritical views.

I don't think Americans consider a teenage pregnancy as good family values.

Try as you might, Rusty, that doesn't fly.

Instead, Palin acts like she is proud of her daughter. Where is the father? Why isn't he being arrested for statutory rape if he is over age 18, or is Palin proud of him too?

So, good family values means when your daughter comes home pregnant, you will say, "Oh honey, I am so proud of you! I am so glad you didn't wait for marriage! Wait, he is going to marry you, isn't he??"

You really want this woman a heartbeat away from running this entire country?

Don't get your hopes up, she may be disqualified anyway when Troopergate heats up.

All these scandals on her very first week! I can't wait to see what pops up next week!

Cool.....another hypocritical blogger joins the party. I can and will take on as many of these dim-wits, as care to join. It is so easy to win a discussion when you are dealing from a strength of truth. You can demonize Palin all day long and it still comes down to the fact that these same comments would never be targeted toward a male candidate. You "Dems, or (Dims), would have us believe that you are all for women's rights while blasting Hillary and now Mrs. Palin. "Ms. Help Me Rhonda", was spouting out, last week, how great the Dems were for their gains for women.....kind of a set-back now isn't it. If you are for women's rights, you have to be for "ALL" women's rights, not just the Libs, and not just for the lower jobs. Palin will prove to be a becon for all women, even the like of Rhonda darling.

rhonda

Where do you fit in? I have you pegged as a Spewer.

You see four types of posters on the forums:

Drive-bys: They throw out comments that are often undocumented, off base and often filled with name calling and trash talking. Often lots of innuendo. Nothing is learned and the political process is not enhanced.

Spewers: They are heavy on innuendo and present extensive material as fact that they have garnered from sources less reliable than the tabloids. If it serves their purpose, they will make unbelievable comments and they don't care if they are true or not. They are glad to perpetuate lies if it supports their theme.

Debaters: They try to win debating points rather than provide context or tell the whole story to enlighten readers. They select only the portion of the story to share that supports their argument. Are they interested in this country or winning debate points?

Enlighteners: They share what they know in the most truthful and complete way they can while advocating for their candidate and view of the issues. Good for the political process.

Ya just gotta love how these liberals keep asking the same stupid non issue questions over and over. Read this whole seed before you ask the same old tired questions again. And then you get the ones who cut and paste every 4-5 posts because they are too lazy to read that the question was answered. Please, at least ask or contribute something new to the discussion.
Also your own candidate Obama has said to lay off the candidates kids. That means all sides McCain/Palin as well as Obama/Biden. That's not too hard to understand is it?

Back to square one.....my previous comments still apply. You Dems are something. I guarentee that after women, in general, hear enough of this "fear of women", that they will come out in waves for the real "Change" candidate. And screw all of those backward muslim countries that might be offended by our freedom. They can and will go straight to HELL.

Even after going out of my way to state my personal opinion and denounce other countries for having such backward views, you still manage to take things out of context to further villainize your fellow citizens. Way to go. And I love how you still act as if the GOP OWNS religion and gets to pass judgment on who goes to hell. Bravo. Now, if you could work on your grammar and spelling, someone might actually take you seriously, except that your hatred for your fellow countrymen nullifies any point you have to make, in my opinion, and your comments are very un-Christianlike. Judge not lest ye be judged? Oh yeah, unless you are with the GOP, then you can judge all you want. For someone who apparently follows the teachings of Jesus, you certainly don't act like someone he would want to hang out with, as your tactics go against his core teachings. Class.

AIN'T it great....even us "common folk" can blow your socialistic propaganda into oblivion. You want to talk Bible? Well if you were any kind of scholar yourself, you would understand that the context of the verse you quoted was for us to "judge rightly". God commands us to "test all things" to make sure they line up with His word. We are not expected to blindly accept the words of "prophets", like Obama, but rather "test" his words and see if they are the truth. He obviously is lacking. Yes I am a Christian, and I show my anger, but so did Christ.....remember when he threw the bumbs out of the temple? I happen to know some Dems who are also Christians. They share my pro-life stance, and we differ on some points, but at least they are willing to look for real truth. By the way.......me and Christ.....we be mates!

Umm--just a thought here--for those of you who are concerned about how our enemies will view us if we elect a woman as VP--can anyone say:

MARGARET THATCHER
OR
GOLDA MEIR
OR
INDIRA GHANDI?

Just wondering. . . . .

Is there record of Jesus being violent or killing anyone? I definitely missed that in Bible study as a lad. I'm not going to go round and round about the personal interpretations of all of the variations of the Christian faith. If you want to interpret that way, that is your right. But many people people interpret it to mean that we should be very careful when we judge others, as we open that same judgment to ourselves.

I don't need a Bible lesson, considering how many religions out there worship the same words, yet can't agree on the messages contained therein. If there were only one way to interpret the Bible, there wouldn't be so many different Christian religions. Save your condescending tone for someone who isn't at least taking the effort to understand the teachings of Christ.

I'm no Biblical expert, but I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who claim to follow the teachings of Christ, yet don't live by his example.

Instead of trying to understand my concern and ask questions, you attack me me for "socialistic propaganda". How presumptive of you to even think you have the slightest clue about me or my intentions. I am an honest person trying to understand the issues facing our country and the challenges and consequences of our decisions, and you write me off as a propagandist because I don't agree with you? Now THAT is something I've come to expect.

And the whole "I know people......." argument can be used by all sides, so I don't see its merit. I know Republicans that are pro-choice. Big deal! That doesn't change my personal feelings one way or another.

People like you who act like you know everything and everyone are very difficult to talk to. You lump me into the "fear of women" category. That pretty much makes you look ignorant since I voted for Hillary in the primaries, and I voted for 3 women in our local and state elections. There was of course, no way for you to know that, but it's nice to see that Christian spirit of assuming the worst about those you disagree with shining through.

And condemning complete strangers you don't even know shows a serious lack of judgment in my opinion. Are you even aware how many people that live in oppressed countries wish they weren't? You can go ahead and keep lumping all the brown people into one basket, but I prefer to be a little more open-minded. Jesus wouldn't have converted these nations through war, murder and occupation, yet so-called Christians praise the murder of innocents in the process of making our point to the world. It's disgusting and hypocritical. The only lives worthy of the "sanctity" title are their own to some of these people. The rest of the world can just go straight to hell. How very "Christian".

I just got done reading this thred. James, you loose. You have failed to make 1 single argument that disputes Rusty's point. I agree that democrats have many double standards and support for women is a big one. Big cudos Rusty. You have done well.

Considering that neither seem to even understand my point in the first place, I'd say the game was stacked against me to win in the first place. I wasn't trying to "win" anything with anyone, and in fact, wasn't originally replying to anyone's post in the first place. I was bringing what up what I think is the misogynistic nature of our enemies and how that might affect our future progress with them.

So much for an actual discussion, sheesh.

You guys will take a "win" any way you can get get it, eh? Even when nobody's playing along with you. I'm just demoralized to lose an argument I wasn't having having. Yikes.

Well I just got done reading this entire thread as well, and James "won." He made reasonable debate-like arguments, not emotion filled tirades. I didn't like Hillary, but she is FAR more qualified to be President (you have to look at a VP as if they were President) than Palin. I agree that some of those other countries mentioned wouldn't have the respect of our commander in chief if it were a woman, but I think that doesn't really matter if she led well enough. Coolmom9 points out some good examples of women leaders. So I don't necessarily agree with that point James, but I respect your opinion.

Rusty, you think Palin is a real "Change" candidate? What, just because she has a different reproductive organ? I guess that's change, because her RECORD doesn't suggest change at all. Oh, except changing her opinions on things when they become a political liability (suggesting she's anti-earmark when she had actively pursued this pork when she was mayor, suggesting she's a fiscal conservative when in reality she became mayor with no debt, and left her little town with a $22 million debt, etc.).

The thing is, she is hardcore pro-choice. I guess that's change. So if McCain is elected there is a VERY real possibility that Roe vs. Wade will be overturned. Is this the issue you are clinging to? Sounds like you are clinging to an issue, because you haven't brought up anything that she has actually done which suggests she would be a good President. Name calling and taking some sort of holier-than-thou attitude doesn't make your candidate look very appealing.

Since God tells you to "test all things", have you tested all things related to McCain and Palin? You are so quick to just dismiss Obama as a "prophet" (ironically that kind of sounds like you are complimenting him, but whatever), but is there anything about McCain/Palin that you actually like? Besides outlawing abortion, of course.

Also, to people who are saying "she has executive experience!!" Big friggin deal. Guess who else had executive experience? George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Look at what they've done to this country. We went from having a surplus to a MASSIVE debt. Maybe a CEO-type person isn't the right person for the job right now. Anyways, just my $.02, thanks.

cool mom said MARGARET THATCHER OR
GOLDA MEIR OR
INDIRA GHANDI

I think you have proved his point.

You are going to have to connect the dots for the comment about Pentecostals being to blame for "the slaughter of hundreds of thousand of innocent men, women and children, the dilution of our Constitution".

As it stands, it is gross innuendo. We can't relate,

Saying that invading Iraq was a 'task from God' pretty much fits the bill as it led to:

"the slaughter of hundreds of thousand of innocent men, women and children, the dilution of our Constitution".

A. dead Iraqis that neither harbored WMD, terrorists or attacked us on 9-11
b. Eradication of personal property, habeous corpus and spying laws in conjunction with new anti-terrorism laws

Palin wants us to be proud of America at a time of war which has been declared violative of international law by the United Nations. Does this woman EVERY THINK ?!

How about a WAR that has caused MISERY TO THE ENTIRE WORLD and hey, if you havent checked, is the major cause of suffering of ORDINARY AMERICANS ?????

This woman scares me. She knows nothing.

The war was NOT a violation of international law, quit using that tired old lie. What war doesn't cause misery? Although the Iraq war doesn't cause misery to the "ENTIRE WORLD" How about you stop being melodramatic. The major cause of suffering around here is hurricane Gustav. You know nothing, but you don't scare me.

You cannot be serious!
Barack Obama's church for over 20 years seemed to teach the kind of extreme ideas that one should be concerned over! Seriously concerned and we all saw that.
By the way, please send a link so that we all may understand you concept of a pentecostal evangelist- this is a position in a pentecostal church where the gifts of the spirit are recognized (Church of God, Assembly of God, for instance) and the evangelist is like Billy Graham. In fact, Billy Graham is an evangelist!

The war WAS a violation of International Law. How about the Security Council Resolutions against it ?
What is the difference between an SC resolution and a General Assembly Resolution in international law ? Yikes. Stop inventing international law for Christ´s sake.

SARAH PALIN ATTENDS ANTI-SEMITIC SERMON

Just 14 days ago, with Sarah Palin in attendance her Pastor Larry Kroon and her church, the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the founder of Jews for Jesus.

Kroon, introduced Brickner saying "Brickner is a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the cutting edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism."

Brickner proclaimed terrorist attacks on Israelis to be "God's judgment of unbelief of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity."

David Brickner went on to recount the actions of a Palestinian from East Jerusalem who took a bulldozer and went on a plowing rampage through a score of cars, killing many people. Brickner claimed that this murderous act was "A Judgment of the Jews by God .... you can't miss."

* ... Will Sarah Palin denounce the despicable message of hate condoned by her Pastor Larry Kroon?

* ... Will Sarah Palin denounce Larry Kroon as an Anti-Semite?

* ... Will Sarah Palin remove herself from the bigotry of an Anti-Semitic Wasilla Bible Church?

* ... Will Sarah Palin reject messages of hatred and embrace messages of equality for all people?

* ... Is Sarah Palin an Anti-Semite?

* ... Is Sarah Palina a supporter of the Dominionist movement and Joel's Army?

* ... Does Sarah Palin want to hasten the END OF DAYS?

makeitso, you are disgusting. Does Barack Obama want the end of white people? No, But you could sure make that assumption if you look at sitting in Rev. Wrights church for 20 years. Why do you post crap like that? I'm a Republican, I think Obama lied about never hearing Rev. Wright speak that way but I am not going to accuse Obama of wanting to get rid of whites because there is NO basis to make a stupid assumption like that. Quit spreading your hate and venom and get a life. At least contribute something of value.

makeitso, did you catch the name of the so-called anti-semitic group you're referring to? It's called JEWS for Jesus. They accept that Jesus is the Messiah, while most Jews still believe the Messiah has not yet come. They minister to their fellow Jews. They've spoken at my church and I didn't hear anything anti-semitic at all; in fact they love their Jewish brothers and sisters, which is why they want to minister to them.

Did you copy this from the Daily Kos or from the Huffington Post?

I think it was CNN...

First let me say, since I am guessing by your name you are in the military..Thank you for what you guys are doing, my family and I appreciate it....

Now, I agree with you 100% on Sarah Palin, no one is perfect, but she does have more experience than Obama at actually running an adminsitration and like anyone else she has things in her past we may not agree with...however, I find Obama's admitted cocaine use abhorrent and his associations with people like Resko and Wright enough to make him unfit to do the job. Resko is a known criminal, not a questionable association.

Do you also find Pres. Bush's admitted cocaine use abhorrent? What about John McCain's infidelity to his first wife? Is that also abhorrent? Or will you find some way to handwave that?

There is probably less then 10 percent of the population - particularly of Mr. Obama's age or older - who has *not* experimented with drugs. Most people are more than happy to tell you about the 'keggers' they went to in college, or the time they smoked dope and ate a box of twinkies. Having tried - and dismissed - a drug, or even drugs, does not make you a horrible person or unfit to persue any sort of career. If it did, all those aging hippies out there would be out of luck.

Actual issues with substance should be what makes or breaks a candidate, not some long-done and immature flirtation with being 'bad'. Or, you know - we could retroactively take the Presidency away from Bush since he's one of the cocaine-snuffling sinners, too....

She's also being sent through a foreign policy 'boot camp', which is odd if McCain has so much confidence in her experience and knowledge. What it will guarantee is a VP whose opinion won't buck that of the President (and by President I mean George W, since it's former members of the Bush team who will be pumping info into her head over the next few days). Maverick - NO. Reformer - NO. Just more of the same.

If you look back at what she did as Mayor you'd see Palin hurt that town far more than she helped....they're now in debt...paying for what she did in office there

Oh gosh, now BEAUTY is a criterion for holding the SECOND MOST POWERFUL OFFICE IN THE LAND ?

So you mean, Jackie Kennedy and Laura Bush should have been Presidents too ?! I dont think they would agree with you !

Paula
You nailed it. No longer is being male or homely a requirement.
Sarah Palin has it all. She is a rising star!

hey, jeep,

palin admitted to smoking pot.

pot. kettle. black. pun intended.

Obama...no experience. Except for that little Harvard law degree in Constitutional Law. You Repubs always get so excited thinking you're going to have an MBA in the office. Then you get one and WHAT A DISASTER he has been.

No doubt about it. Give me someone who actually knows and understands the Constitution over "executive experience". But I do understand how little that means to modern Republicans.

Ms. Palin didn't even know that the founding fathers DIDN'T write the Pledge of Allegiance? Or even what the VP does?

And don't forget: She's got more executive experience than John McCain too!

Yup she's the best soccer mom to be nominated for VP. Geez, that glass ceiling was just shattered, but not by qualifications, but by an old man grasping for anything to keep him afloat.

TabaquiDo you also find Pres. Bush's admitted cocaine use abhorrent? What about John McCain's infidelity to his first wife? Is that also abhorrent? Or will you find some way to handwave that?

There is probably less then 10 percent of the population - particularly of Mr. Obama's age or older - who has *not* experimented with drugs. Most people are more than happy to tell you about the 'keggers' they went to in college, or the time they smoked dope and ate a box of twinkies. Having tried - and dismissed - a drug, or even drugs, does not make you a horrible person or unfit to persue any sort of career. If it did, all those aging hippies out there would be out of luck.

Actual issues with substance should be what makes or breaks a candidate, not some long-done and immature flirtation with being 'bad'. Or, you know - we could retroactively take the Presidency away from Bush since he's one of the cocaine-snuffling sinners, too....
4!#24.2 - Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:44 PM EDT

********AGREED***********

I'll give her this. She is an excellent actress and she can deliver a speech, written by one of McCain's speechwriters (and she SHOR IS PURTY!). Democrats have been very respectful of her up until now, but she put the gloves on, and it's open season now. She started it, and they'll finish it! How dare she minimize the work Obama did in Chicago as if it were nothing. Obama has also had a couple of extra years dealing with the stresses of a presidential campaign. She's jumping in at the last moment and the Republicans think the american people will be fooled by a pretty woman who can deliver a speech, and gloss over the rest.

"How dare she minimize the work Obama did in Chicago as if it were nothing"

Are you referring to sitting in the pews of a politically advantageous church while the pastor spewed racist anti american comments??

"Obama has also had a couple of extra years dealing with the stresses of a presidential campaign".

Yep, that's experience!

"Republicans think the american people will be fooled by a pretty woman who can deliver a speech, and gloss over the rest"

A little sexist are we? Or would you rather her wear pants suits in lovley pastels?

I have never seen so many baseless charges of sexism than on this abhorrent thread. You want sexist, eh toots, sweetums? Vra-vra-vra-vrooooom!!

Dem in Ct Says "Democrats have been very respectful of her up until now"

Are you joking? When have they been respectful of her or her family? You dems have tried your best to rip her apart and you have even had all your liberal media helping you.
You have tried over and over to completely assassinate her character. Asking questions like "is it her baby or her daughter's, will she take a paternity test to prove it". You keep doing your best to put her down. Your media asks the same questions over and over but will not even question Obama about his relationships with Ayers, Wright, Farrakan. God forbid you question Obama because anytime you do you get accused of being a racist.
If you want to "take the gloves off" then lets do it for ALL the candidates.

Maybe in your job you sit in church all day instead of working, but I assure you that we are talking about two separate things. Are you also responsible for anything anyone you know says? Does that mean you agree? Please. Even the media is off this topic. Ask the people in Chicago the hours and dedication he put into getting them jobs and back to work, I'm sure they will disagree that it was unimportant.
Not to mention his years as a U.S. Senator learning the ways of the political structure and being a day to day part in decisions that affect not just their state, but the entire country. If you don't think that being part of an aggressive political campaign for two years under the magnifying glass of public scrutiny and media, living on no sleep and having to participate in endless (unscripted) debates is not a learning experience, then you have a lot to learn. They have barely scratched the surface with Sarah Palin as far as shaking the skeletans out of her family tree as they have already done with the other candidates. She is a freshman Governor who hasn't had to engage in half of the things that Barack Obama, John McCain, Joe Biden, or any other candidate at the government level has had to deal with. She will soon enough, and it will be interesting to see how she does in this.
I'm not sexist at all, but obviously you are with your petty comments about pantsuits! My point is the people that pander to her are basing their opinion on a speech and the fact that she is an attractive woman. There was very little else beyond her shrill sarcasm last night that lent itself to any solid views about anything beyond being a living, breathing, puppet of McCain. She will need to be much more professional than that if she is to succeed in politics in the big arena.
What a double standard you have. Defending one woman as you cut down another, not over issues but pantsuits????!!!!!!!!
Why is it that the posts from most republicans involve name calling and ridiculous statements? Maybe they have nothing of substance to talk about. I have to assume there are republicans out there who are not smut writers that just haven't contributed to this post.

Rightist neocons make me puke.

Rightist neocons make me puke.

Rightist neocons make me puke.

Stillkickin,

Guess I should clarify. The Democratic CANDIDATE has been respectful of her, and was quoted on national TV to say that the candidate's kids were off limits and anyone in his campaign who participated in that type of discussion would be fired. The media has had a hay day as this is what they do, no matter who the politician is. She'd better get used to it. As they say, "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!" Obama can't control the democratic bloggers, any more than McCain can control the republican bloggers--and neither of them should be held responsible for things they can't control. Obama has been scrutinized, just as every other candidate for the past 2 years. They've already been through his life with a fine tooth comb, they have just begun to scratch the surface with Sarah Palin. No one is going to go easy on her just because she's a woman, and I don't think she would expect them to. I would think much less of her if she did. I actually thought she was more of a professional than to simply serve as John McCain's mouthpiece and use attacks and sarcasm instead of substance, which she evidently has if she is in her position. She's better than that.

Rightist Neocons make me puke. Usarmorsoldier? Is that supposed to lend credibility to your post? I give a rat's ass if you are or were in the miltary-like that's supposed to earn you instant respect. I assure you there are plenty on morons who volunteered to join up and I suspect you fit that category. You probably don't even know what liberal is. Yeah right a beautiful woman with a WONDERFUL family. How poetic. What a qualification to lead the country. A religious fanatic that believes the earth is 6000 years old . How comforting to know she supports "life" and then supports the death penalty. All life is sacred right? Not as long as they can make the distinction. Republicans are simply the most disgusting creatures to walk the earth. As Barack has said. ENOUGH. Crawl back in your holes and let the Democrats and Liberals fix your mess.

Dems and libs fix something? Even if Obama does get into power, he has no record of ever fixing anything nor has he even demonstated the ability to make an executive decision. Governor Palin does not have vast amounts of experince either, but some is better than none. Barack is seeking the highest office with zero experience while Govenor Palin will gain experience as VP. I don't understand how some of you can continue to question her experience, when the top of your ticket has absolutely no applicable experience.
Usarmorsoldier does deserve your respect. You see he has been protecting your sorry, whiney, America hating A$$ for a few years.

Dem in Ct, I have to respectfully disagree with your comment that Obama has been scrutinized, especially as much as Palin. Obama still has not answered the questions of Ayers, Farrakan, Wright. The only time a mainstream media personality has asked about Ayers they were crucified by the rest of the media. If they are truly all fair game for the press than let the press do it's job and ask the questions of all the candidates that need to be answered. If they have been thru his life with a fine tooth comb than why can't we get the answers to these questions and others we have of Sen. Obama? I do agree with you that no one, especially her is expecting people to be easy on her because she is a woman. I believe if you throw your hat in than you are fair game, let's just make sure it is a fair game though. I do not see her as just being Sen. McCain's "mouthpiece" and I think if people think that they will be in for a big surprise. Speaking of using sarcasm, is that another thing that only the dems can get away with then? I was not aware they had a copyright on using sarcasm.

Only 12 years as a senator... Gee that is NO experience?

Funny to watch "experience" get "re-defined" Now 18 months is better than 12 years, not to mention a law degree etc. etc.

right wing republicans make me scared....

You are obviously a fool AND and an idiot. And a Democrat...which is even worse, HA HA!

Mark,

Spoken like a true fool, idiot, and Republican. Nothing's worse than that. You must be laughing at the Republican choice for VP. Everybody else is.

No Randy everybody is not laughing at the next VP but there is a lot of laughter at the EXPERIENCE of your hero the next has -been B Hussein Obama. The hero of the liberal/socialist/communist crowd in America and the muslim factor around the world.
Remember that Osamabama is the choice of the all the terrorist organizations around the world. Gotta tell you something.
Course we know you kooks could care less about the future of this great nation which you hate so much you would vote for the devil himself.

Actually, only a fool would be laughing at the VP candidate. Not being a fan of Obama or McCain, I think it was a brilliant move to choose Palin. In choosing an intelligent woman, working mom, someone who is going through many of the issues that a lot of families are going through, McCain has totally changed the ballgame. In one quick move, he has gotten the attention of the Clinton voters. Also, the Democrats could really shoot themselves in the foot by attacking her in ways that would offend a lot of the women out there. Only someone very narrow minded would write her off.

California has a budget problem because the Dem's that run the state have turned the state into a socialist system. Oops, gotta spend money to do that...so...let's raise taxes.

Hillary "The Real Deal" will take on Palin "the Imitator". Hillary will show the difference between them, and she doesn't have to worry about offending other women.

I was disappointed by the remarks made at the convention last night. I was especially disheartened by Rudy Giuliani's speech when I heard the laughter aimed toward Obama's charitable work done after college. How humiliating that must have been to those whom he has assisted. It seems that the Republicans have no interest in people and the dilemmas we face. Instead, they want to ridicule others while hiding behind a heightened veil of patriotism. Chants of U-S-A! are wonderful, but what about the economy? Why laugh and joke while many republican voters are struggling with rising food costs, absurd gas prices, and foreclosures on their homes? Do they even care about the many lost lives of our young men in this senseless war? I believe that much of their comedic antics were connected to their seething hatred for minorities and was an attempt to revitalize the "good 'ol boys network" long associated with their party. I'll never forget Giuliani's part in the racial profiling and abuse of black men in New York while he was mayor. He endorsed the behavior by the police department and was hated by many people of New York. He became a so-called hero after September 11.
I sincerely hope that the people of red states like Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana, Florida and the others, will not forget the last eight years of steady decline and suffering this country has had to withstand because of an administration that would be copied by McCain. I hope that they are tired of our country's situation enough to realize that the old mindset will not improve this country's status.

To: Spiderx1

You're damn right ....Palin is NO Hillary and Thank God for that !

-- Hillary is a well-known serial liar with MANY scandals in her history.
-- Hillary champions BIG government and seeks to impose a big bureacratic government run health-care system on all of us
-- While Hillary and Bill ask the rest of us to pay more taxes, her and her husband have constantly looked for ways to avoid paying their fair share (remember the tax-returns that took overinflated credits for donated boxer shorts?)
-- Hillary consistently tries to play both sides of an issue (was she really for the war or not?)
-- Hillary has NO "chief-executive" experience at all

On the other hand,

-- Palin already has taken on big-government and tough lobbyists
-- Palin has some record of true reform
-- Palin is already talking about battling higher taxes
-- Palin recognizes that more supply of energy (i.e. drilling) is part of the real long-term energy solutions
-- You don't hear Palin trying to play "class-warfare" like Hillary

For women that are truly paying attention... and understand what it takes to really improve their future, they'll quickly understand who is the better choice !!

Hillary vs. Palin.

I dont think Hillary would even come to the debate. Not worth wearing a pantsuit.

Praise the Lord that Palin is no Hillary

Palin verses Obama.....Palin wins! The bottom of the GOP ticket is more qualified than the top of the Dem ticket. Like you said stillkickin...Praise the Lord!

Oh please, she has no experience in Washington and no foreign policy experience or knowledge. She's been governor of a state that has less population than many US cities for less than 2 years.

The only qualification she has is pandering to people who think that a candidate's religious views are more important than issues.

Oh yeah, she does have some experience in Washington. She was a crony of now indicted Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens. Because Stevens was the chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Palin was able to get $27 million in earmarks for the podunk town she was mayor of.

And Alaska gets more federal money than most any other state, even though they have money from oil revenue. I guess it's ok for the government to spend money on state projects as long as it's a Republican spending it.

bry33
I don't know where you get your facts from.

But the part where you say...
"I guess it's ok for the government to spend money on state projects as long as it's a Republican spending it".

Yes, that is true. The Republicans are more fiscally responsible than any Democrat.

fiscally responsible? What a joke. Squanderd the surplus and spending 1 billion dollars a week on a pointless war. Ridiculous statement.

We spend almost triple what we spend on the war on welfare. Our defecit has come from the liberal presidents that introduced welfare in the first place. Spending over 350$ billion dollars a year contributes more to the deficit than the war. The dems policies cost more to the average American then they can give them back considering the cost to manage these programs. We had a deficit before the war and after welfare was introduced. So it is easy to blame the Republicans but yet when you truly think about where our money goes most of it goes to welfare and the fact that the tax code is completely unfair and the bottom 20% of the country do not even end up paying taxes at all. Putting the almost 40% tax burden on individuals will only lead to a worse economy and job loss.

Jessicaf,
I agree! It is these social programs that are killing our economy and teaching people to be lazy. We have multiple generations that are on welfare and there is no end. There is plenty of work for those who really want it. I lost my job 3 years ago! I was out of work for 6 months! I did not collect one penny from Uncle Sam. It wasn't because I had plenty of cash in the bank. I did not sit around the house and cry and wait for someone to come and bail me out. I did anything and everything to keep the bills paid. I was surprised when I did my taxes that I made more that year than the prior year and the year after that! We train our people to think that our "Nanny Government" is responsible for us. There are plenty of able body people that just don't work. And, why should they, if we are going to take care of their every need? I do believe in taking care of people when they are down. Their family should be the first resource. Welfare should be a last resort and should only be for a season. Not for a lifetime and for subsequent generations. People will feel much better about themselves when they are allowed and encouraged to take charge of their own lives.